[Year 12 IT Apps] ITA U4O1 task 1 weighting

Tue Jul 26 19:43:27 EST 2011

you love being pedantic!

and you do it very well too!

A
Andrew Shortell
Heidelberg Teaching Unit in 2011
wishing I was semi retired too

On 26/07/2011, at 6:44 PM, Mike Brookes wrote:

> Hate to be pedantic :-), but PDF is not software, it is a file type used 
> to contain various kinds of pre-formatted data.
> 
> Mike Brookes
> Semi-retired gentleman - Copperfield College
> 
> On 26/07/2011 3:32 PM, geoffmoss37 at bigpond.com wrote:
>> Hi Mark and all
>> 
>> Would agree on your comments re. pdf as it is not primarily seen as multimedia software and a pdf can be created from a Word document and thus would not then be seen as a multimedia authoring tool.  So to say a pdf is a multimedia tool per se is not correct.
>> 
>> While a multimedia PDF incorporating Flash and video could be created I think that, given the time available, it would not be in the interests of students to go down this road when there are easier ways to achieve the outcome.  This is a way of bringing multimedia into the pdf, the pdf not being the multimedia tool.
>> 
>> My 2 cents worth
>> 
>> Geoff Moss
>> RMIT
>> 
>> ---- Mark KELLY<kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>  wrote:
>>> Hi all.  The study design says that "To support the ongoing use of these
>>> solutions, students produce user documentation using either web authoring or
>>> multimedia authoring software."
>>> 
>>> I think most of us would agree on what "web authoring" software would be -
>>> Dreamweaver, Drupal/Moodle etc (but do we include Notepad if it's used to
>>> create PHP/AJAX/CSS/HTML5 pages?).
>>> 
>>> We just need to argue over whether PDF is "multimedia authoring software".
>>> I'd say not.  I'd say its prime function is *not* the creation of
>>> multimedia.
>>> 
>>> I'd say Powerpoint and Flash *are* specifically designed as multimedia
>>> authoring tools.
>>> 
>>> 2.15c worth (assuming a GST rise to pay for the carbon tax)
>>> 
>>> Come out lurkers.  What do you think?
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> On 25 July 2011 14:23, Andrew Shortell<shortell at get2me.net>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  Hey Mark
>>>> At a personal level I do not believe a single PDF is adequate if it is
>>>> merely a print document such as a text document (NOT necessarily a word doc
>>>> from microsloth (attribution to Mike B))
>>>> 
>>>> However I believe that as part of doing the preparation for creating User
>>>> Documentation that we create a specification set / design brief. This brief
>>>> contains all the things that will help them to achieve high in each criteria
>>>> on the marking scheme.
>>>> 
>>>> Thus they know exactly what they need to put in and so the students who are
>>>> interested in attaining good results put it in.
>>>> I consider it no reflection upon myself if they deliberately choose not to
>>>> put in things that we have discussed and added to the specifications of
>>>> which they have a copy.  !!
>>>> 
>>>> Interactivity is important for user doc; searchability; and lots of other
>>>> things. Given that you are marking the sacs you need to set the specs. If
>>>> the students know the specs then they have the best chance of meeting them!
>>>> 
>>>> (I think I am missing teaching vce!! And the intellectual challenges
>>>> therein! As I sit in a year 7 art class.)
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 25/07/11 1:30 PM, "Mark KELLY"<kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Andrew.  While I acknowledge that PDF has one or two distinctively
>>>> onscreen features, it lacks most of them.  If I let my kids use PDF as a
>>>> format, they'd type up a normal Word document and just save it as PDF
>>>> without exploiting the features they were meant to use.
>>>> 
>>>> On 25 July 2011 10:22, Andrew Shortell<shortell at get2me.net>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi John and Mark
>>>> 
>>>> PDF is no longer merely meant to be printed. It is a simple way to keep
>>>> everything looking like you meant it to look.
>>>> 
>>>> PDF docs can contain links etc so they are not merely printed pages
>>>> 
>>>> A lot of user doc that one receives nowadays comes as pdf. 100s of pages of
>>>> it. When was the last time that you printed a pdf manual????????
>>>> 
>>>> E.g. Last night I installed a big pond usb modem for a “Senior” couple. The
>>>> suer doc was a series of pdfs. Telstra is moderately up to date with
>>>> things......
>>>> 
>>>> Back off my soap box and on to teaching and learning
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Shortell
>>>> 
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>>>> Heidelberg Teaching Unit
>>>> Ph 9470 3403
>>>> Fax  9470 3215
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
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