[Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech

Wed Dec 7 10:54:01 EST 2011

"It still surprises me the number of people that say “young people are so computer literate” – to this I say – What crap!"

Hear! Hear! It's like saying someone is an F1 driver because vicroads have given them a licence.

- Stuart Anderson

Kambrya College

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] on behalf of Mann, Warrick D [Mann.Warrick.D at edumail.vic.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 10:35 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech

Hi Vera,

I would agree. I know in the Latrobe Valley, 2 of the biggest high School (Traralgon and Lowanna) do not teach IT at all until at least year 10 – with Lowanna not teaching it all.

It still surprises me the number of people that say “young people are so computer literate” – to this I say – What crap! They take it for granted, but still do not actually know how to use it other than basic internet and games.

Warrick

From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Vera Cook
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 10:24 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech

Hello everyone,

I agree, that IT is very relevant to business. However, I believe the reason for reduced enrolments is more due to students not seeing IT as being important or as a career pathway and maybe this is something that needs to be addressed more. My school tends to have more students doing Psychology as it is a Science.

Thankyou Vera Cook

From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]<mailto:[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]> On Behalf Of Mann, Warrick D
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 10:10 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech

Hi All,,

As someone who still works in “real world” IT, I see the course as highly relevant.

As to “real info tech”, which IT stream are we talking about? Programming? Project Management? Systems Analyst? Systems Architect?

IT is Business management with specific set of skills – If IT cannot integrate successfully into a business, it will not be adopted effectively or run efficiently.

Warrick Mann

From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]<mailto:[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]> On Behalf Of Andrew Shortell
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 9:20 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech

Perhaps we could move those business functions out of IT and into the business subjects because all subjects are supposed to have ICT and the business stuff is certainly not real computing science

Then we would be left with just computing in in the computing subject!!

The business people would be delighted because then they could teach it their way and teach “at the point of need to know” always a more effective way of ensuring students pay attention!

And we would all be happy because we could do real computing in the computing subject.

Andrew

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On 7/12/11 4:05 AM, "Mark Scott" <msc at luther.vic.edu.au<https://www.edumail.vic.gov.au/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:
It would kill the subject completely here at Luther.

Mark Scott
Luther College

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au<https://www.edumail.vic.gov.au/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> [itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au<https://www.edumail.vic.gov.au/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>] On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen [rgesthuizen at gmail.com<https://www.edumail.vic.gov.au/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>]
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:40 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech

Here is an interesting question I could toss to this group to mull over.

When we consider the progressive declining enrollment in the year 12 IS and ITA, is there merit in a long term thought to combine the two into a single year 12 Info Tech subject?

No agenda, just plain old curious about your thoughts.

Regards Roland

On 6 December 2011 17:33, Robert Hind <robert at yinnar.com<https://www.edumail.vic.gov.au/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:
So let's get this back where it belongs! Or at least separate the ItApps and the SoftDev discussions.

Thanks folks!

Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF
Ashwood and Traralgon
robert at yinnar.com<https://www.edumail.vic.gov.au/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>

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