[Year 12 IT Apps] sac2

George Ciotti ciotti.george.w at edumail.vic.gov.au
Thu May 13 12:06:44 EST 2010 

> it's still your responsibility to ensure that it fulfils the requirements

I would have thought that was a given.
The thread began with teachers with little experience in teaching this
subject asking for a look at some of the SACs that have been used by other
teachers with more experience. But the issue still remains that there are
very few examples from which a newbie could learn from or even adapt if they
had the time. Especially in ITA. Unless you pay for them. And even then,
they may not be immediately suitable. Obviously teachers would like to see
what has succeeded in someone else's class and perhaps use this or adapt it
to one¹s style. Adapting does take time and there is little time to waste in
the preparation and understanding of what you will be handing to your
students. I am not sure that this is asking too much in the greater scheme
of things. New teachers need more assistance that¹s all. And even
experienced teachers could sometimes do with a fresh approach and this may
come from a new teacher¹s interpretation or adaptation of a used SAC.
In some senses, one would think that experienced teachers had a
responsibility in keeping this subject alive and fresh, given the enormous
possibilities that present themselves within the current ITC climate. And as
far as fulfilling the requirements of the study design then I would also say
that VITTA probably has a role to play here in vetting resources offered on
its website, which I am sure they do. Just that they don¹t seem to have that
many examples of the current SAC.





On 5/13/10 8:17 AM, "Mark KELLY" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> wrote:

> Please forgive me mounting my usual soapbox for a second...
> 
> Whichever SAC you use, and wherever it comes from, it's still your
> responsibility to ensure that it fulfils the requirements of the study
> design.  There have been one or two dodgy outcomes let loose in the past that
> would not have passed VCAA auditing.
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:59 PM, George Ciotti
> <ciotti.george.w at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>> With all due respect, what you¹re effectively saying is that after all your
>> experience you wont provide Andrew with one of your SACs? Or one of the SACs
>> that you may have gotten from someone else in the past and successfully used
>> in your class? 
>> I would give you one of mine if I had one Andrew but I am in the same boat as
>> other first year ITA teachers. It seems to me that SACs that others have used
>> successfully in the past or indeed are using currently are few and far
>> between. Not any on the VITTA unless you¹re doing the Software SAC, heaps of
>> those!
>> 
>> The big question is why? I would have thought that by now there would/should
>> be plenty. How many ITA teachers are there out there?
>> 
>> If you don¹t mind Andrew, I wouldn¹t mind looking at the ones you have.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> George Ciotti
>> 
>> -->
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>> 
>> On 5/12/10 11:53 AM, "Robert Hind" <robert at yinnar.com
>> <http://robert@yinnar.com> > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Andrew!
>>>  
>>> We've all been down the same road. First time teaching the subject. Not sure
>>> exactly what the study design means! Am I doing the right thing? What help
>>> can I get? Where can I get it?
>>>  
>>> That is where the ITApps list really helps. You can ask for help and usually
>>> get it.
>>>  
>>> I was teaching IT when the VCE started. We had CATs - and now SACs. Those of
>>> us teaching at that time had to develop our own CATs and SACs - especially
>>> in non-metropolitan schools, where I was teaching at that time, as we had no
>>> local support. The whole Edulists did not exist and there were no
>>> commercially available resources. I am now retired from full time teaching.
>>>  
>>> So what am I saying to you?
>>>  
>>> Don't agonise too much about this SAC. You have two examples already - so,
>>> unless you are not happy with either of them, go with one of those. Modify
>>> of course to suit your students and the software you and they are using.
>>>  
>>> The SAC has to allow students to demonstrate the required skills- see the
>>> VCAA Assessment Handbook for ITApps at
>>> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc
>>> <http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc>
>>>  
>>> Then really all you have to do is rank the students in order of their
>>> ability to satisfy the requirements for the SAC. The moderation of the
>>> internal assessments via the exam marks takes care of assessment differences
>>> between schools/teachers.
>>>  
>>> Good luck with SAC 2
>>>  
>>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM (Thanks Kent!)
>>> Ashwood and Traralgon
>>> robert at yinnar.com <http://robert@yinnar.com>
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Townsley, Andrew A" <townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
>>> <http://townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au>
>>> <mailto:townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> >
>>> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List" <itapps at edulists.com.au
>>> <http://itapps@edulists.com.au>  <mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au> >
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:23 AM
>>> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] sac2
>>> 
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> > 
>>>> > I am after another SAC for outcome 2. I have 2 already and really would
>>>> like to see another if possible.
>>>> > 
>>>> > A.Townsley
>>>> > townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
>>>> <http://townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au>
>>>> <mailto:townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au>
>>>> > Fountain Gate SC
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>>> <http://itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au>
>>>> <mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au>  on behalf of Jackson Bates
>>>> > Sent: Tue 11/05/2010 11:16 AM
>>>> > To: itapps at edulists.com.au <http://itapps@edulists.com.au>
>>>> <mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au>
>>>> > Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] U3O2 - Ok to code entirely in Notepad?
>>>> > 
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > This is probably a dumb question, but if a pupil is proficient in html
>>>> > and css, can they create their prototype website in Notepad (or Vym, or
>>>> > Notepad++ etc). I know the task must be completed using appropriate
>>>> > software that can create a website, but does that include something as
>>>> > simple as a text editor or must they use Dreamweaver or another WYSIWYG
>>>> > type of editor?
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Jackson Bates
>>>> > 
>>>> > Waverley Christian College
>>>> > 
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