[Year 12 IT Apps] U302
Grubb, Mif B
grubb.mif.b at edumail.vic.gov.au
Tue May 4 15:32:08 EST 2010
Hi Janet, I am! Thank you for your FAST FEET tutorials adapted for EW.
Students have reacted positively to EW (Year 10 and 12) For Year 10 I
used the beach trip CSS tutorials from Microsoft.
Regards
Mif Grubb
Carwatha College P12
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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Bane, Janet A
Sent: Tuesday, 4 May 2010 2:52 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
Andrew,
I appreciate you have a passion for VWD. That's great! Did you know
that Expression web also has a facility to view the html code and use
css? In fact, I explain how to use the css files in the first part of
my tutorial. Once they start using them, students understand what they
are and how they are useful. Once learned, this skill could easily be
transferred. EW also uses dwt (dynamic web template) files, which
perform a similar function in that they are master templates which can
then be edited/changed to suit the user's needs and then applied to all
attached files.
I guess its "horses for courses". You obviously like VWD, I prefer EW.
I would love to know what people at other schools are using - are there
any other EW users out there or am I the only one?
regards
Janet Bane
Patterson River SC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Townsley, Andrew A
Sent: Tue 04-May-10 1:42 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
Hi,
YOu can download VWD for free as there is an express edition and so is
PHP.
My issue was we shouldnt be teaching how to use an application package
but teach skills instead. Skills can be transferred across packages and
this make more educational sense. For Yr12 I believe students will
benefit the most with this learning. Teach them html/Css and for
interactive content place a few controls on screen and extend those who
can. VWD is great for this (and has a WYSIWG and covers all bases)and to
a point so is PHP.
A.Townsley
townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
Fountain Gate SC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Bane, Janet A
Sent: Sat 1/05/2010 4:05 PM
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Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
Hi all,
When I said "I hope this will be a useful resource for others, and if
you have comments/suggestions/tips about Expression Web that you want to
share I, for one, would be most grateful" - this wasn't quite what I
meant! I think you are all missing the point here.
The point is that there are many different packages out there which
people use to do Outcome 2. The web authoring/virtual team SAC
continues in the next study design as well. I don't want to debate the
merits of each type of software. (my software is better than your
software....no it isn't.....yes it is..... - its all pretty childish if
you ask me!). In most schools you "get what you're given", and in my
case, Expression Web is what I was given to work with.
All I was trying to do was to provide a resource for others who may also
be using Expression Web and would like some guidance (as there is
nothing out there). Just do a search through the vitta resources with
the word "expression web" and see how many you get. As far as EW
itself is concerned, I have only scratched the surface, but can see
there are a lot of innovations and improvements over Front Page. It is
quite suitable for high school student level and as Mark K has stated,
the aim of the SAC is not to turn out ready-made web designers, but
students who have a good working knowledge of how a virtual team works.
They don't need to get too technical.
Finally, you may be surprised to know that many schools are using
Expression Web, Dreamweaver or even the old Front Page. If you are in
a Govt School, it is likely that you are using MS products (FP or EW)
and therefore resources such as mine are probably of interest. For those
that aren't, perhaps you would like to upload some of the ones you have
developed, Andrew, so we can share some of your expertise as well.
regards
Janet Bane
Patterson River SC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Townsley, Andrew A
Sent: Fri 30-Apr-10 5:34 PM
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Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
Hi,
I really wouldnt bother with expression web or dreamweaver IMHO.
IT isnt a professional product like VWD which you can easily add
interactive content and it is free.
This will teach actually skills that some students can extend their
learning on.
Next best would be PHP. YOu dont need to code interactive stuff but this
will cater for all learners.
A.Townsley
townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
Fountain Gate SC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Bane, Janet A
Sent: Fri 30/04/2010 4:24 PM
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Hi all
I have been dragged (kicking and screaming), into the wonderful world of
Expression Web. Our technicians took away Front Page when we upgraded
to Windows 7.
The first thing I found out was that there are very few good resources
out there, and even fewer people who could actually show/tell me what
to do. Lots of stuff had changed (or maybe it hadn't, I just couldn't
find it). SO .... after lots of tense moments, I have come up with a
set of notes, written for Expression Web users, based on the notes I did
earlier for Front Page. It follows the development of the website for
Fast Feet, which I'm sure most people are familiar with, if they have
the VITTA CD for the current study design.
It is now available on the VITTA site, under the title: Fast feet with
Expression web.
It goes through the steps involved in creating and developing the
website for Fast Feet. It contains Home, Management, Production,
Customer and Bulletin Board pages and a Staff login page as well as some
theory questions along the way. The customer page is optional as the
website is for the virtual team, however I include it to show students
how to use form elements.
I hope this will be a useful resource for others, and if you have
comments/suggestions/tips about Expression Web that you want to share I,
for one, would be most grateful.
regards
Janet Bane
Patterson River SC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Mark KELLY
Sent: Thu 29-Apr-10 8:25 AM
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Townsley, Andrew A
<townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
Hi,
Reading the Study Design for unit 302 I am seeing that students need to
create a website with 'non-functional' interactive content for a virtual
team. Also they need to evaluate it.
1)If my students know how to make websites already then what new skills
do I need to teach them for this?
The webmaking skills are pretty modest, so not a lot of training may be
required. That's why I do U3O2 as the first outcome. What the kids do
need to know is the needs of a virtual team and how they can be
satisfied with a website. That's really what is being assessed (as well
as the basic networking knowledge required.)
Their site has to demonstrate an ability to help a vt share information
and make decisions, and the kids have to demonstrate appropriate tools
to achieve those ends (e.g. chat, wiki, forum, shared calendar, security
[e.g. a simulated login page to their site], file exchange, team
contacts etc).
Since most of these tools will have to be simulated because of the
restrictions in a classroom environment, their image editing skills will
need to be developed so they can doctor screenshots of such tools in
action.
I can add interactive content with VS2008 VWD ( I hope people are using
this or PHP and not dreamweaver/frontpage).
The example SAC's I saw didn't really expand on basic web site building
skills.
Don't get distracted by spending huge efforts trying to make functional
sites: that is not really the point of the outcome. It's about the
needs of virtual teams. Software Development is the arena for cracking
open VS2008...
A.Townsley
townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
Fountain Gate SC
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