[Year 12 IT Apps] IT Apps study design

Mon Mar 29 15:23:17 EST 2010

Ah, I haven't seen a *really* good flame war since my dark and evil Usenet
days and the infamous bunfight about Derek Smart (*Battlecruiser 3000AD)*...

My, that *defined* flame war!

It still lingers today: http://follies.werewolves.org

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Timmer-Arends <timmer at melbpc.org.au>wrote:

>
> http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/02/70179
>
> http://www.writewithtaste.com/blog/tone_problems_in_emails.html
>
> Regards
> Robert T-A
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Kevork Krozian <kevork at edulists.com.au>
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<itapps at edulists.com.au>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Apps study design
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> It is great advice you give Mark when a controversial email is about to be
> sent to just let it sit and gather some dust before actually posting. I know
> I have regretted certain emails I have written in the past and have tried to
> correct them to no avail. One in particular caused the accused to be further
> isolated off line by those who chose one side and continued the attack. When
> I apologised for the original post and asked the accused to come back - they
> had chosen to leave the lists upon my not so subtle advice .... - I was
> asked to take up the fight against those who had continued the attack off
> line. So messy , so unfortunate, so unnecessary. I wish I could turn back
> the clock ... but alas.
>
> On a more general point, it is of concern to me that we simply don't get
> enough of our lurkers to join in our discussions. Latest census shows 471
> itapps subscribers.  Could it be that they know it all and don't need to ask
> anything ? Or more ominously could it be that they are afraid they might be
> shot down if they make a comment ? Anecdotally, I do hear that some feel
> their work may not be up to the standard they think is on these discussions
> and hence do not join in.
>
> I am working on acquiring sponsorship to recognise contributions and
> participation on these lists (  I did think the support and professional
> satisfaction was enough but maybe not,  for many ).
> I am looking at a 1st , 2nd and 3rd placement for volume of contributions
> and support of others over a school year along the lines of a substantial
> gift for those who help others - a laptop, a powerful mobile device, etc are
> my preferences.
>
> While I work on the sponsorship front, I want to congratulate Roland,
> Adrian, Robert, Mark and others for their professional handling of this
> thread. As Roland said we couldn't see the body language when he was typing
> and as Adrian mentioned, it took a long, long time to bring together this
> Study Design that was not so visible to many and the steering committee was
> of the view every opportunity was afforded for input.  The solution to all
> our woes lies in open honest communication.
>
> Ahhh, first Sunday of our holidays , and we are here working and
> fighting for the cause. It that a form of the Stockholm/Helsinki syndrome in
> action  ??
>
> Sending this after waiting the requisite 60 mins in the Drafts folder
> following Mark's wise words.
>
> Warm Regards
>
>
> Kevork Krozian
> kevork at edulists.com.au
> www.edulists.com.au
> Tel: 0419 356 034
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Roland Gesthuizen <rgesthuizen at gmail.com>
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<itapps at edulists.com.au>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 28, 2010 6:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Apps study design
>
> Adrian and I get on well off-list so this is nothing personal. I apologize
> if I have offended anybody with a cavalier quip that I'll admit was casually
> tacked onto my post without thinking. I'll admit exhaustion and complacency,
> regretting that I ever hinted an ability to do the interim school reports.
> It has been good to see this list gain some fire and traction again.
>
> Robert does raise an interesting point that we need to be careful with what
> voice we speak with, especially from our signature tags. I don't think that
> Adrian was writing on behalf of VITTA as President and I wasn't writing on
> behalf of my school. He is quite justified to defend the study design team
> reputation. I guess for this reason, I have been adding a disclaimer to the
> bottom of my messages so that I am not giving undue authority to my words or
> posts.
>
> Regards Roland
>
> Disclaimer: The views in this e-mail are entirely my own. I'll shout a
> beverage with anybody that meets up with me next week at the national
> conference and indicates they are from the study design team. :-)
>
> On 28 March 2010 16:34, Janson, Adrian A <
> janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
>>  Hi Robert and others,
>>
>> Robert - you raise a good point - my language was a little strong and for
>> that I do apologise (and also would have been better off-list).  I want to
>> categorically state that feedback and discussion is very important and I
>> (personally) want to encourage that as much as I possibly can.  Discussion
>> of the study design only furthers all of our understanding of it.
>>
>> It's just that it frustrates me when comments like this are made off the
>> cuff without the right basis.  I also think that discussion should be
>> phrased in the right way - positively - rather than negatively.  That is, 'I
>> notice that cloud computing is in the study but I am not sure what the
>> context is?  Can someone clarify this for me?'.  This would be a fair way to
>> start the discussion rather than saying that there is an omission and
>> implying that no research was done into the topic.  I think that there are
>> some dangers in taking summary documents (such as the one that Mark Kelly
>> has created) and using these are a basis for understanding of the study.
>> The study needs to be read in the context of the key knowledge and key
>> skills - Mark's summary is a great tool and should serve as a start only.
>>
>> I think I am a little sensitive to this knowing how much work has gone
>> into the study and the efforts that VCAA have gone to to involve everyone in
>> the process.  The study design is really looking exciting - I can't wait to
>> teach it!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adrian
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>
> --
> Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College
> http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au
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