[Year 12 IT Apps] VITTA and PD costs
Adrian Janson
janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
Tue Feb 9 12:14:24 EST 2010
Hi Kent and all,
I sent a similar email to the Yr.11 list - so apologies to those that have
read this already.
Also - just as a side note. I know it has taken a while to 'officially'
reply, but 10am on a Sunday? Kent - I know you can take it as well as dish
it out - so I am going to say - turn off your email and get outside!!
I am trying not to be reactive - and I do want to listen to your concerns
but feel I must make a few points.
Firstly, we are not comparing apples with apples. The PD that you are all
discussing is 5 x 2 hour sessions + a site licence resource as well. We are
not talking about a single PD session. The PD is a package - designed to be
attractive given that the site licence ($324) is included. It is a whole
course - and the site licence is a ready to go PHP course that you can put
onto your Intranet and use out of the box.
The presenter (in this case - Kevork), deserves to be paid for his time and
effort - of this I am sure you would all agree. VITTA needs to pay for the
venue as well as someone to organize the event itself - registration, etc.
At the end of the day - VITTA does not make much money from PD - and in fact
last financial year lost money. Under these circumstances, perhaps VITTA
should offer NO PD AT ALL - and many would argue that VITTA should not offer
PD when we are not making money. We offer PD for what we consider to be a
fair price - enough to make the event viable. In actual fact, the monies
set aside by schools for PD are out of line with reality - and that is the
issue.
I am certainly happy to engage in any conversation about costs - and VITTA
members who have constructive suggestions are welcome to meet with me
anytime - the coffee will be on me!
Adrian Janson
VITTA President
From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Kent Beveridge
Sent: Sunday, 7 February 2010 9:52 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Learn PHP and MySQL to make useful websites
and support your students
Hang on a mo..
Am I to understand this 'PD' is $600 for ONE DAY?(add the price of a
replacement teacher for a day too for participants)
'scuse me while I pick myself up off the floor...
(make sure we remember to add accomodation/meal/travel costs for country
folk!)
YEP, I'm back on my price-horse again for 2010.
Hey Jo, can you cast your mind back to comments I made during our last phone
call and you will know what I am going on about.
Looks like I have to miss out on another potentially useful PD as again,
have been priced way out of the ball park!!!(the I.T budget up here aint
that big and nor is my wage - thats almost my take home pay for a week - can
we start running PD's at an affordable and reasonable price pleeeez??)
Lets put something in as a parallel...
A full Cert IV qualification can be obtained for $1500 and takes an average
of 3-5 months to complete.
YEP I know this will upset some readers on this list. Apologies in advance
for those such offended!
But how are teachers like myself going to get these skills other than self
teaching if we simply cant afford to these things. Perhaps VITTA should look
at the so called 'education revolution' and source funding to reduce costs
of hosting these events to make them more affordable for 'single day PD's '.
I am all for offering my students programming at Year 12 but if this is the
cost of training via our subject organisation then many are going to wonder
if the costs of upskilling for the job are worth it. Unfortunately, the
students 'may' be the victims of this cost explosion.
For what its worth, I wish to introduce Software Devel here at our school in
either 2011 or 2012. I wish to provide my upcoming students every
opportunity but costs like this make it really a challenge!
I am happy to take VITTA phone calls to discuss this issue and possible
remedies(but dont offer a time payment plan as that doesnt reduce the cost).
Respectfully closing off..
Kent.
_____
From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] on
behalf of Jo McLeay [jo at vitta.org.au]
Sent: Friday, 5 February 2010 4:51 PM
To: itapps at edulists.com.au
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Learn PHP and MySQL to make useful websites and
support your students
PHP and MySQ
Who is this for?
. All teachers who want to update their programming skills to make
dynamic websites
. Teachers of years 8 to 12 VCE & VET teachers, including at Year 11
for Database Programming
. teachers who are interested in delivering PHP and MySQL
. teachers of VCE Software Development
. The day is tailored to fit the beginner, intermediate or advanced
person
The benefits of PHP and MySQL include:
. PHP is one of the approved programming languages in Software
Development
. PHP can be used to program mobile devices
. PHP and MySQL are free and open source
What is included?
. A copy of Kevork's new book "PHP and MySQL for standard and mobile
devices"
. software installation
. sample outcomes for teachers who are interested in delivering PHP
and MySQL
. notes and exercises ready for participants at any proficiency
level.
. refreshments are supplied.
What should I bring?
. Bring your laptop
Additional dates are: 2nd March, 9th March, 16th March and 23rd March.
Sessions go from 4.30 to 6.30 pm on each day.
Registrations Open:
today
Registrations Close:
25th Feb 2010
Price:
VITTA members $ 600 (Inc. GST) non-members $750.00 (Inc. GST)
For details and booking go to: http://www.vitta.org.au
<http://www.vitta.org.au/> and follow the training events link.
--
Jo McLeay
VITTA Professional Learning Officer
T: +61 3 9495 6836
F: +61 3 9495 6834
M: +61 (0) 402 087 017
E: jo at vitta.org.au
W: www.vitta.org.au
Suite 209, 134 - 136 Cambridge St,
PO Box 1099
Collingwood, VIC, 3066, Australia
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