[Year 12 IT Apps] Learn PHP and MySQL to make useful websites andsupport your students

Sun Feb 7 14:08:55 EST 2010

Can I just go back to Kent's email - talking about "country folk". Any of 
these PDs that run for 2 hours a day over several days/weeks are absolutely 
useless for "country folk". The costs in travel time and fuel become 
ridiculous. From Traralgon this PD would have cost $600 + 10 hours travel 
time ($400?)  + 1500km travel ($500?) + coverage for after lunch classes on 
the five days ($400?), a total cost of about $1,900 or $190 per PD hour.

So we do need to come up with alternative models for PD for ALL teachers in 
the state.

The cost issue is another one of course. While at Traralgon I was involved 
in a program called "Gourmet PD". This was way back in the early 90s. 
Facilities were supplied by local schools - but they did see this as a 
chance to make money out of their otherwise unused facilities in 
after-school hours. It would seem that this trend is still alive and well.

As a semi-retired teacher there is no way I can afford this sort of cost for 
PD - so how do I access PD that is relevant to me and allows me to satisfy 
VIT requirements. This would also apply to beginning teachers who can only 
get contract/CRT work and staff on family leave who have no access to school 
funds for PD.

Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
Ashwood and Traralgon
robert at yinnar.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark KELLY" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List" 
<itapps at edulists.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Learn PHP and MySQL to make useful websites 
andsupport your students

> Hi all.
>
> As I read it, $600 for 10 hours' (five sessions of 2 hours each) PD.
> Not cheap, certainly, but cheaper than some commercial PD.
>
> VITTA's prices were never exactly cheap, but $60 per hour for PD is
> not over the fence and into the neighbour's backyard.  Then again, it
> would probably discourage many junior IT teachers from asking their
> school admin to apply for the course.
>
> Perhaps the events can be recorded and sold/podcast by VITTA as an
> example of virtual teams collaborating on a common goal?
>
> FYI, an interesting read is VITTA's PD presenter policy at
> http://www.vitta.org.au/documents/item/166
>
> Mark
>
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Kent Beveridge
> <kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>> Hang on a mo..
>> Am I to understand this 'PD' is $600 for ONE DAY?(add the price of a 
>> replacement teacher for a day too for participants)
>>
>> 'scuse me while I pick myself up off the floor...
>>
>> (make sure we remember to add accomodation/meal/travel costs for country 
>> folk!)
>>
>> YEP, I'm back on my price-horse again for 2010.
>>
>> Hey Jo, can you cast your mind back to comments I made during our last 
>> phone call and you will know what I am going on about.
>> Looks like I have to miss out on another potentially useful PD as again, 
>> have been priced way out of the ball park!!!(the I.T budget up here aint 
>> that big and nor is my wage - thats almost my take home pay for a week - 
>> can we start running PD's at an affordable and reasonable price 
>> pleeeez??)
>>
>> Lets put something in as a parallel...
>> A full Cert IV qualification can be obtained for $1500 and takes an 
>> average of 3-5 months to complete.
>>
>> YEP I know this will upset some readers on this list. Apologies in 
>> advance for those such offended!
>> But how are teachers like myself going to get these skills other than 
>> self teaching if we simply cant afford to these things. Perhaps VITTA 
>> should look at the so called 'education revolution' and source funding to 
>> reduce costs of hosting these events to make them more affordable for 
>> 'single day PD's '.
>>
>> I am all for offering my students programming at Year 12 but if this is 
>> the cost of training via our subject organisation then many are going to 
>> wonder if the costs of upskilling for the job are worth it. 
>> Unfortunately, the students 'may' be the victims of this cost explosion.
>> For what its worth, I wish to introduce Software Devel here at our school 
>> in either 2011 or 2012. I wish to provide my upcoming students every 
>> opportunity but costs like this make it really a challenge!
>>
>> I am happy to take VITTA phone calls to discuss this issue and possible 
>> remedies(but dont offer a time payment plan as that doesnt reduce the 
>> cost).
>>
>> Respectfully closing off..
>> Kent.
>> ________________________________
>> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] on 
>> behalf of Jo McLeay [jo at vitta.org.au]
>> Sent: Friday, 5 February 2010 4:51 PM
>> To: itapps at edulists.com.au
>> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Learn PHP and MySQL to make useful websites 
>> and support your students
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> PHP and MySQ
>>
>> Who is this for?
>>
>> All teachers who want to update their programming skills to make dynamic 
>> websites
>> Teachers of years 8 to 12 VCE & VET teachers, including at Year 11 for 
>> Database Programming
>> teachers who are interested in delivering PHP and MySQL
>> teachers of VCE Software Development
>> The day is tailored to fit the beginner, intermediate or advanced person
>>
>> The benefits of PHP and MySQL include:
>>
>> PHP is one of the approved programming languages in Software Development
>> PHP can be used to program mobile devices
>> PHP and MySQL are free and open source
>>
>> What is included?
>>
>> A copy of Kevork’s new book "PHP and MySQL for standard and mobile 
>> devices"
>> software installation
>> sample outcomes for teachers who are interested in delivering PHP and 
>> MySQL
>> notes and exercises ready for participants at any proficiency level.
>> refreshments are supplied.
>>
>> What should I bring?
>>
>> Bring your laptop
>>
>> Additional dates are: 2nd March, 9th March, 16th March and 23rd March. 
>> Sessions go from 4.30 to 6.30 pm on each day.
>>
>>
>> Registrations Open: today
>> Registrations Close: 25th Feb 2010
>> Price: VITTA members $ 600 (Inc. GST) non-members $750.00 (Inc. GST)
>>
>>
>>
>> For details and booking go to: http://www.vitta.org.au and follow the 
>> training events link.
>>
>> --
>> Jo McLeay
>> VITTA Professional Learning Officer
>> T: +61 3 9495 6836
>> F: +61 3 9495 6834
>> M: +61 (0) 402 087 017
>> E: jo at vitta.org.au
>> W: www.vitta.org.au
>> Suite 209, 134 - 136 Cambridge St,
>> PO Box 1099
>> Collingwood, VIC, 3066, Australia
>>
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>
>
> --
> Mark Kelly
> Manager - Information Systems
> McKinnon Secondary College
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