[Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are ipad 'computers'?

Thu Aug 12 09:49:19 EST 2010

Roland,

What solution could we use for outputting video to a data projector from
the Ipad?

Looking at it from the point of view of students delivering to a class.

Andrew

Andrew Weir

Information Technology Co-ordinator

Thomas Carr College

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen
Sent: Thursday, 5 August 2010 11:16 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Cc: Melvin Wilson Jr.
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?

Thaks Andrew and Mark. We are one of the iPad schools and yes, they are
a consumer device but having said that .. these eBooks have a huge
potential to leverage change and most of the issues that you raise are
solvable. Check this OLPC XO3 video out about the open mode linux model
due for release. Don't hang around waiting for stuff to happen, you can
get some learning traction with this stuff now using Apple iPads.
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILMzuS2qZfc

First thing is to get one for yourself and school administration team.
Then you will learn first hand what how where what etc. Don't skimp on
the docking station. It is also wise to consider kicking off with a
class set too. I hope to put something together to talk about these
tablet computers at the VITTA conference .. if nobody else is already
(hint??). The EdTech Crew have also been reviewing them in their
podcasts. You can always return it to the library for loans etc when you
have had your fill of tablet computing.

Like other schools, we are in the same boat .. holding over the residual
funds left from the NSSCP grant for further iPads instead of netbooks or
considering wider deployments across entire year levels. Kind of glad we
purchased Macbooks on trolleys with our first stage. I also have a good
contact we are working with called Mel Wilson who has a tonne of
experience (details above) who can answer some of your questions. I have
had a few "aha!" moments myself so feel free to call for an honest chat
about where this stuff fits in. I'll share my phone number off list. :-)

Regards Roland

On 5 August 2010 09:54, WEIR Andrew <andrew.weir at thomascarr.vic.edu.au>
wrote:

Mark,

(See below my rant)

This was a statement circulated to the CEO schools. (At the end of my
bit)

We looked at the ipad; they are a nice media consumption device but we
were a bit concerned about getting data on and off the device IE USB
connectivity, student file space and printing.

Also word processors and presentation tools are not included in the
package so we had to add another Approx $40 to the cost of the device to
purchase those apps, I am not sure about site and volume licensing from
apple for ipad apps.

I know things like Google docs could replace the need for the apps such
as pages, but with the wireless running at all times battery life gets
shortened and the ipad does not charge from a standard charger, it
actually requires a 1 amp usb port and I believe most computers max out
a 500 - 700ma. So the availability and OHS requirements for the power
need to be considered.

There was also the issue of support and Jail Braking. There are pro's
and cons for custom OS and other things but what then happens to the
security of the network. Should schools support devices that have been
jail broken and how can we stop students Jail braking the device
especially if we let them take the devices home.

>From a LOTE, Humanities and to some point English point of view we did
find some major benefits and have not ruled out purchasing two class
sets but as the main stream student device we are not totally convinced
of version 1 of the ipad. Let's see what apple says for second
generation.

Some of the pro's were ITunes university, Ipad books especially
Shakespeare and other novels.

Also at this point we are actually taking a step back from technology
and really look at the curriculum so that it is supported and enhanced
by whatever "device" we choose.

Anyway this is only just the opinion of a teacher getting over a bad
dose of flu. So happy to see a healthy discussion. 

Andrew

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iPad

Many schools have also asked if the new iPad would be approved as a
'computer' under the DER

funding. Initially, the advice from DEEWR was that it was not eligible.
However, the following advice was

received by us on 23 June:

Many of you have sought advice about whether the new Apple iPad meets
eligibility requirements

under the National Secondary School Computer Fund. I would like to
advise that DEEWR

considers that the iPad does meet the existing definitions of an
eligible computer device under

the Fund. An iPad is a particular type of tablet computer and these have
been considered as

eligible devices since the implementation of the Fund in 2008.

A tablet, including the iPad, allows users to input information via
QWERTY typing, it runs word

processing and other efficiency applications and it provides a means of
accessing information

from the Internet. The major difference between a tablet and a
conventional laptop is that the

keyboard is a software generated function on a screen rather than a
physical object. The iPad

runs different applications from other laptops.

In summary, DEEWR considers that the iPad, as a tablet, can be purchased
under the Fund but

it is a matter for education authorities/schools to decide if the
application suite on an iPad meets

the educational needs of their students.

Andrew Weir

Information Technology Co-ordinator

Thomas Carr College

     <http://www.thomascarr.vic.edu.au/>   
<http://www.thomascarr.vic.edu.au>   <http://www.thomascarr.vic.edu.au>
  <http://www.thomascarr.vic.edu.au> 

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark KELLY
Sent: Thursday, 5 August 2010 9:08 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?

A poser just occurred to me as I plan budgets for next year: if we buy
iPads, would they count as computers in the annual school ICT inventory
(and therefore count towards DEECD's planned 1:1 ratio of year 9-12
students per computer)?

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McKinnon Secondary College
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