[Year 12 IT Apps] a formatting "comment"..Kent
Laurie Savage
sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
Tue Aug 11 16:12:24 EST 2009
FM looks like its come a long way since I last used it. I liked it then and
after reading your review I think I'll organise a demo copy to look at for
next year.
Laurie
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On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 2:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] a formatting "comment"..Kent
Filemaker does everything Access can do in terms of relationships. FMP
version 1 was basically a flat-file toy, but full relational powers appeared
by (I believe) v2.
Filemaker can also access data through a string of relationships. For
example, if table A is related to table B, and table C is related to table B
then table A can access related data in table C in a sort of "pass-through"
manoeuvre. I'm not sure if this is standard behaviour for RDBMS.
I'm definitely not an evangelist for Apple products, by the way, but I do
have a regard for FMP. It's not perfect by any means: some basic little
limitations have annoyed the stuffing out of me since version 3, e.g. the
inability to make objects conditionally invisible, and the inability to
search all scripts for the use of a particular orphaned variable or field.
(The 'Advanced' version of FMP does allow this, sort of, through a database
report, but it's still not easy to use.)
Anyway, the reason I like FMP is its RAD nature. By drag-and-drop
scripting, complex automation is made easier (no command/function
names/syntax to memorise) yet the power is there for very complex
operations.
Now it also has local and global variables, indexed arrays [aka repeating
fields whose repetitions can be addressed using a variable], looping
(admittedly primitive, but functional), conditional formatting, easy
validation and powerful calculated fields. These, BTW, are defined and
referred to as fields rather than being created ad hoc in queries.
I'm now starting to play a bit with SQL and PHP so we'll see how that
goes...
Laurie Savage wrote:
> Filemaker has been around so long that its conventions should probably
> be respected by the examiners. Although (and I'm just thinking out
> loud here) is it really a RDBMS? To what extent does it follow the
> Codd model? Even though application development is fast & simple,
> normalisation and keys were handled strangely by FM - I'm not sure,
> but would it be standard practice to have an FM sheet that looked like
> ::StudentID::TaskID::Grade:: ? I haven't developed with FMPro since
version 4 so I might be talking through my ****.
>
> Laurie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 11:09 AM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] a formatting "comment"..Kent
>
> You could well be right there, Laurie. They are terms not familiar to
> Filemaker users, however.
>
> I train my kids to translate Access terms to and from Filemaker
> nomenclature, just to be safe.
>
> Laurie Savage wrote:
>> I think the terms Query and Report are generic and predate Access by
>> several years. Before Access came along Dbase and Paradox were using
>> this terminology back in the days of DOS, Crystal Reports (Windows)
>> was querying databases to format reports, and SQL (Structured Query
>> Language) has been with us a long time.
>>
>> Laurie Savage
>> PVGC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
>> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>> On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
>> Sent: Sunday, 9 August 2009 2:12 PM
>> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] a formatting "comment"..Kent
>>
>> VCAA cannot prescribe software used in outcomes. If they DO decide
>> to do so, they must publish the prescribed software as they do with
>> Software Development's approved programming languages.
>>
>> They MUST accept any answer that is correct for ANY available
>> software
>> product: spreadsheet, DBMS, web editor etc.
>>
>> They MUST NOT ask questions that are specific to any one of the
>> available varieties of software products (e.g. Access, Excel),
>> including the esoteric terminology used by them.
>>
>> They'd better not ask another Access-specific question this year.
>> The very mention of "queries" or "reports" is too brand-specific. It
>> seriously disadvantages Filemaker Pro users, for example.
>>
>> It worries me how they assume a particular family or brand of
>> software is "standard" and merrily ask questions assuming that
>> EVERYONE uses that family or brand.
>>
>> It's wrong and must stop.
>>
>> I feel better now.
>>
>> Kent Beveridge wrote:
>>> If I may, an observation...
>>> Personally, I am a "majority Microsoft" product user, not by desire
>>> but
>> just essentially as that is what my employers (the various schools of
>> my teaching time..) have had available to use for my I.T. classroom
> ramblings.
>>> Surely the VCAA can be flexible enough to allow the examiners to
>>> mark as
>> 'correct' the essentials of formulae presented to them by students.
>> What I mean is, what if the students have NEVER used Microsoft or
>> APPLE
> products?
>> Surely they shouldnt be penalised when in fact their solution would
>> work on their "flavor" of application software (eg open source
>> spreadsheet or other market available alternative).
>>> If we are to produce flexible and thinking students for employers
>>> then we
>> must allow them to provide solutions appropriate to their working
>> environments.
>>> Case in point: Applications developers in the commercial workforce
>>> may use
>> a program that is nothing like Microsoft and yet will do the same job
>> most efficiently on the mainframe in the workplace. I ask you
>> VCAA...how many schools out there have a mainframe costing millions
>> of bucks that runs the exact same formats and conventions of
>> Microsoft on all
> their applications?
>> Lets get real here with our exam expectations on the students and
>> allow them some flexibility with their answers!
>>>
>>>
>>> Kent.
>>>
>>> Kent Beveridge,
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>>> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Roland Gesthuizen
>>> Sent: Sat 8/8/2009 2:02 PM
>>> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it isnt so much as they came up with something different or
>>> that they have invented a new standard. There is an open standards
>>> group that is trying to improve the exchange of recalculated
>>> formulas in spreadsheets and I suspect that is what they have used.
>>> Google Docs uses this format too. Let me check. Yep .. works with double
quotes.
>>>
>>> Curious I did not directly spot this before as I jump across between
>>> XLS, ODC and GoogleDocs. Shows how plastic our minds are to these
>>> subtle changes. I guess when it flags an error, I just thump my
>>> forehead to shake a neuron loose and amend the formula with either
>>> single or double quotes. REM hmmm
>>>
>>> Regards Roland
>>>
>>> 2009/8/7 Robert <robert at yinnar.com>:
>>>> And I have just checked Open Office. Different again.
>>>>
>>>> Requires semicolons rather than commas as separators between items,
>>>> eg
>>>>
>>>> =IF(C2>40;"yes";"no")
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
>>>> Ashwood and Traralgon
>>>> robert at yinnar.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" <robert at yinnar.com>
>>>> To: <itapps at edulists.com.au>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:50 PM
>>>> Subject: Fw: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Whoops! I missed out one (double straight) quote :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Should have read:
>>>>>
>>>>> And can I add to Mark's message by noting that Excel does not like
>>>>> "smart quotes", or curly quotes but only straight quotes, ie
>>>>>
>>>>> =IF(C2>40,"YES"," ")
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
>>>>> Ashwood and Traralgon
>>>>> robert at yinnar.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" <robert at yinnar.com>
>>>>> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
>>>>> <itapps at edulists.com.au>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And can I add to Mark's message by noting that Excel does not
>>>>>> like "smart quotes", or curly quotes but only straight quotes, ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =IF(C2>40,"YES," ")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pedantic? Yes! But Excel, and other apps, will only accept
>>>>>> exactly what they have been programmed to expect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
>>>>>> Ashwood and Traralgon
>>>>>> robert at yinnar.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kelly"
>>>>>> <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
>>>>>> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
>>>>>> <itapps at edulists.com.au>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:26 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Examiners' report, ITA Q12b:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Few students could correctly write the formula for the IF
>>>>>>> statement =IF(C2>40, 'YES',' ').
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> End Quote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And fewer examiners could either, apparently: double quotes
>>>>>>> rather than single quotes are needed (at least in Excel, which
>>>>>>> is the undeclared standard for all spreadsheet questions in the
exam).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does bug me when a commentary on what is correct and what is
>>>>>>> not gets it wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christophersen, Paula P wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dear colleagues
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In case you are not aware, the examination reports for the
>>>>>>>> 2008 exams in IT apps and Software development are available at
>>>>>>>> the following addresses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paula
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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