[Year 12 IT Apps] FileMaker Pro

Jorge Viegas jojovi_au at yahoo.com.au
Tue Aug 11 15:19:43 EST 2009 

I have been using the program for 10 years now, and I agree upgrades are often mainly decoration rather than added functionality, it is such a user friendly software, I suppose no major training required with each upgrade. A real shame that exam questions are all just so Access oriented.


--- On Tue, 11/8/09, Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> wrote:


From: Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FileMaker Pro
To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List" <itapps at edulists.com.au>
Received: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 9:04 AM


8, then 8.5, then 9 and currently 10  :-)

Filemaker 'major' upgrades are often mainly decoration rather than added 
functionality.


Roland Gesthuizen wrote:
> Thanks Mark .. oddly enough I once used Greg's books for teaching Access.
> Say, are you FMP version 8?
> 
> Regards Roland
> 
> 2009/8/11 Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
> 
>> Greg Bowden's PDF tutorials are a good start (gct.com.au from memory)
>>
>>
>> Russo, Frank R wrote:
>>
>>> Roland have been using Filemaker Pro for years absolutely love it, so easy
>>> compared to access each year I obviously teach my Unit 1 & 3 students acess
>>> and then give them a taste of filemaker pro there are plenty of resources
>>> out there.......
>>>
>>> Frank Russo
>>> Leading Teacher ICT ~ Teaching & Learning
>>> eLearning Leader, Timetabler & RTC Supervisor
>>> Teacher:- IT, Multimedia, Maths & Science.
>>> Filemaker Pro Database Developer
>>> School Notebook Representative
>>> AEU Branch President
>>> Website Administrator
>>> AIC and Curriculum Committee Member
>>> Acting Daily Organiser & A.P. as required
>>> Monterey Secondary College, Frankston North.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
>>> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen
>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 August 2009 2:42 PM
>>> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
>>> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] FileMaker Pro
>>>
>>> Well put Mark,
>>>
>>> Say all, I am interested in learning more about FileMaker Pro
>>> following my trip to the NECC with the ACEC08 study tour (again thank
>>> you VITTA and Westall SC :-). I have a suspicion that others might be
>>> thinking along the same line. Is anybody planning a workshop or can
>>> point me towards some good online resources?
>>>
>>> Regards Roland
>>>
>>> 2009/8/9 Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>:
>>>
>>>> VCAA cannot prescribe software used in outcomes.  If they DO decide to do
>>>> so, they must publish the prescribed software as they do with Software
>>>> Development's approved programming languages.
>>>>
>>>> They MUST accept any answer that is correct for ANY available software
>>>> product: spreadsheet, DBMS, web editor etc.
>>>>
>>>> They MUST NOT ask questions that are specific to any one of the available
>>>> varieties of software products (e.g. Access, Excel), including the
>>>> esoteric
>>>> terminology used by them.
>>>>
>>>> They'd better not ask another Access-specific question this year.  The
>>>> very
>>>> mention of "queries" or "reports" is too brand-specific.  It seriously
>>>> disadvantages Filemaker Pro users, for example.
>>>>
>>>> It worries me how they assume a particular family or brand of software is
>>>> "standard" and merrily ask questions assuming that EVERYONE uses that
>>>> family
>>>> or brand.
>>>>
>>>> It's wrong and must stop.
>>>>
>>>> I feel better now.
>>>>
>>>> Kent Beveridge wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If I may, an observation...
>>>>> Personally, I am a "majority Microsoft" product user, not by desire but
>>>>> just essentially as that is what my employers (the various schools of my
>>>>> teaching time..) have had available to use for my I.T. classroom
>>>>> ramblings.
>>>>> Surely the VCAA can be flexible enough to allow the examiners to mark as
>>>>> 'correct' the essentials of formulae presented to them by students. What
>>>>> I
>>>>> mean is, what if the students have NEVER used Microsoft or APPLE
>>>>> products?
>>>>> Surely they shouldnt be penalised when in fact their solution would work
>>>>> on
>>>>> their "flavor" of application software (eg open source spreadsheet or
>>>>> other
>>>>> market available alternative).
>>>>> If we are to produce flexible and thinking students for employers then
>>>>> we
>>>>> must allow them to provide solutions appropriate to their working
>>>>> environments.
>>>>> Case in point: Applications developers in the commercial workforce may
>>>>> use
>>>>> a program that is nothing like Microsoft and yet will do the same job
>>>>> most
>>>>> efficiently on the mainframe in the workplace. I ask you VCAA...how many
>>>>> schools out there have a mainframe costing millions of bucks that runs
>>>>> the
>>>>> exact same formats and conventions of Microsoft on all their
>>>>> applications?
>>>>> Lets get real here with our exam expectations on the students and allow
>>>>> them
>>>>> some flexibility with their answers!
>>>>>  Kent.
>>>>>  Kent Beveridge,
>>>>> St. Brigids CSC, Horsham.
>>>>> Ph (03) 5382 3545
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>>>>> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Roland Gesthuizen
>>>>> Sent: Sat 8/8/2009 2:02 PM
>>>>> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it isnt so much as they came up with something different or that
>>>>> they have invented a new standard. There is an open standards group
>>>>> that is trying to improve the exchange of recalculated formulas in
>>>>> spreadsheets and I suspect that is what they have used. Google Docs
>>>>> uses this format too. Let me check. Yep .. works with double quotes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Curious I did not directly spot this before as I jump across between
>>>>> XLS, ODC and GoogleDocs. Shows how plastic our minds are to these
>>>>> subtle changes. I guess when it flags an error, I just thump my
>>>>> forehead to shake a neuron loose and amend the formula with either
>>>>> single or double quotes. REM hmmm
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards Roland
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/8/7 Robert <robert at yinnar.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And I have just checked Open Office. Different again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Requires semicolons rather than commas as separators between items, eg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =IF(C2>40;"yes";"no")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
>>>>>> Ashwood and Traralgon
>>>>>> robert at yinnar.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" <robert at yinnar.com>
>>>>>> To: <itapps at edulists.com.au>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:50 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Fw: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Whoops! I missed out one (double straight) quote :-)
>>>>>>> Should have read:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And can I add to Mark's message by noting that Excel does not like
>>>>>>> "smart
>>>>>>> quotes", or curly quotes but only straight quotes, ie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =IF(C2>40,"YES"," ")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
>>>>>>> Ashwood and Traralgon
>>>>>>> robert at yinnar.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" <robert at yinnar.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
>>>>>>> <itapps at edulists.com.au>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:33 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  And can I add to Mark's message by noting that Excel does not like
>>>>>>>> "smart
>>>>>>>> quotes", or curly quotes but only straight quotes, ie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =IF(C2>40,"YES," ")
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pedantic? Yes! But Excel, and other apps, will only accept exactly
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> they have been programmed to expect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
>>>>>>>> Ashwood and Traralgon
>>>>>>>> robert at yinnar.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kelly"
>>>>>>>> <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
>>>>>>>> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
>>>>>>>> <itapps at edulists.com.au>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:26 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Examiners' report, ITA Q12b:
>>>>>>>>> Quote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Few students could correctly write the formula for the IF statement
>>>>>>>>> =IF(C2>40, 'YES',' ').
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> End Quote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And fewer examiners could either, apparently:  double quotes rather
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> single quotes are needed (at least in Excel, which is the undeclared
>>>>>>>>> standard for all spreadsheet questions in the exam).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It does bug me when a commentary on what is correct and what is not
>>>>>>>>> gets
>>>>>>>>> it wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Christophersen, Paula P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear colleagues
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  In case you are not aware, the examination reports for the 2008
>>>>>>>>>> exams
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> IT apps and Software development are available at the following
>>>>>>>>>> addresses.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/it-applications/exams.ht
>>>>>>>>>> ml#H2N10037
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/softwaredevel/exams.html
>>>>>>>>>> #H2N10037
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paula
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Paula Christophersen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ICT Curriculum Manager
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> VCAA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 41 St Andrews Place
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College
>>>>> http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au <http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au/>
>>>>> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>>>>> change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has."
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>>>> Mark Kelly
>>>> Manager - Information Systems
>>>> McKinnon Secondary College
>>>> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
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>> --
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>> Manager - Information Systems
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> 
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-- 
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