[Year 12 IT Apps] a formatting "comment"..Kent

Tue Aug 11 08:55:39 EST 2009

Dear colleagues

Acceptable answers to all questions, excluding multiple choice, are
discussed at length at the all-day training sessions for examination
assessors. All assessors have the opportunity to put forward suggested
answers and these are considered on their merits. This means that in
many situations there is a range of acceptable answers, as shown in the
Examination Reports.

Assessor applications have closed for this year, however, I would urge
you to think about signing up for next year - it is a very worthwhile
experience. 

While I do not work in the Assessment Branch of the VCAA, I would like
to say that every effort is always made to make examination papers fair
and reasonable, and the VCAA will continue to strive for that goal.

Regards
Paula

Paula Christophersen
ICT Curriculum Manager
VCAA
41 St Andrews Place
EAST MELBOURNE 3002
(03) 9651 4378
-----Original Message-----
From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
Sent: Sunday, 9 August 2009 2:12 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] a formatting "comment"..Kent

VCAA cannot prescribe software used in outcomes.  If they DO decide to 
do so, they must publish the prescribed software as they do with 
Software Development's approved programming languages.

They MUST accept any answer that is correct for ANY available software 
product: spreadsheet, DBMS, web editor etc.

They MUST NOT ask questions that are specific to any one of the 
available varieties of software products (e.g. Access, Excel), including

the esoteric terminology used by them.

They'd better not ask another Access-specific question this year.  The 
very mention of "queries" or "reports" is too brand-specific.  It 
seriously disadvantages Filemaker Pro users, for example.

It worries me how they assume a particular family or brand of software 
is "standard" and merrily ask questions assuming that EVERYONE uses that

family or brand.

It's wrong and must stop.

I feel better now.

Kent Beveridge wrote:
> If I may, an observation...
> Personally, I am a "majority Microsoft" product user, not by desire
but just essentially as that is what my employers (the various schools
of my teaching time..) have had available to use for my I.T. classroom
ramblings.
> Surely the VCAA can be flexible enough to allow the examiners to mark
as 'correct' the essentials of formulae presented to them by students.
What I mean is, what if the students have NEVER used Microsoft or APPLE
products? Surely they shouldnt be penalised when in fact their solution
would work on their "flavor" of application software (eg open source
spreadsheet or other market available alternative).
> If we are to produce flexible and thinking students for employers then
we must allow them to provide solutions appropriate to their working
environments.
> Case in point: Applications developers in the commercial workforce may
use a program that is nothing like Microsoft and yet will do the same
job most efficiently on the mainframe in the workplace. I ask you
VCAA...how many schools out there have a mainframe costing millions of
bucks that runs the exact same formats and conventions of Microsoft on
all their applications? Lets get real here with our exam expectations on
the students and allow them some flexibility with their answers!
>  
>  
> Kent.
>  
> Kent Beveridge,
> St. Brigids CSC, Horsham.
> Ph (03) 5382 3545
> http://www.stbc.vic.edu.au/
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> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Roland Gesthuizen
> Sent: Sat 8/8/2009 2:02 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, it isnt so much as they came up with something different or that
> they have invented a new standard. There is an open standards group
> that is trying to improve the exchange of recalculated formulas in
> spreadsheets and I suspect that is what they have used. Google Docs
> uses this format too. Let me check. Yep .. works with double quotes.
> 
> Curious I did not directly spot this before as I jump across between
> XLS, ODC and GoogleDocs. Shows how plastic our minds are to these
> subtle changes. I guess when it flags an error, I just thump my
> forehead to shake a neuron loose and amend the formula with either
> single or double quotes. REM hmmm
> 
> Regards Roland
> 
> 2009/8/7 Robert <robert at yinnar.com>:
>> And I have just checked Open Office. Different again.
>>
>> Requires semicolons rather than commas as separators between items,
eg
>>
>> =IF(C2>40;"yes";"no")
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
>> Ashwood and Traralgon
>> robert at yinnar.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" <robert at yinnar.com>
>> To: <itapps at edulists.com.au>
>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:50 PM
>> Subject: Fw: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports
>>
>>
>>> Whoops! I missed out one (double straight) quote :-)
>>>
>>> Should have read:
>>>
>>> And can I add to Mark's message by noting that Excel does not like
"smart
>>> quotes", or curly quotes but only straight quotes, ie
>>>
>>> =IF(C2>40,"YES"," ")
>>>
>>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
>>> Ashwood and Traralgon
>>> robert at yinnar.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" <robert at yinnar.com>
>>> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
>>> <itapps at edulists.com.au>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports
>>>
>>>
>>>> And can I add to Mark's message by noting that Excel does not like
"smart
>>>> quotes", or curly quotes but only straight quotes, ie
>>>>
>>>> =IF(C2>40,"YES," ")
>>>>
>>>> Pedantic? Yes! But Excel, and other apps, will only accept exactly
what
>>>> they have been programmed to expect.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
>>>> Ashwood and Traralgon
>>>> robert at yinnar.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kelly"
>>>> <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
>>>> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
>>>> <itapps at edulists.com.au>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:26 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Examiners' report, ITA Q12b:
>>>>>
>>>>> Quote
>>>>>
>>>>> Few students could correctly write the formula for the IF
statement
>>>>> =IF(C2>40, 'YES',' ').
>>>>>
>>>>> End Quote
>>>>>
>>>>> And fewer examiners could either, apparently:  double quotes
rather than
>>>>> single quotes are needed (at least in Excel, which is the
undeclared
>>>>> standard for all spreadsheet questions in the exam).
>>>>>
>>>>> It does bug me when a commentary on what is correct and what is
not gets
>>>>> it wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Christophersen, Paula P wrote:
>>>>>> Dear colleagues
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  In case you are not aware, the examination reports for the 2008
exams
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> IT apps and Software development are available at the following
>>>>>> addresses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/it-applications/exams.ht
>>>>>> ml#H2N10037
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/softwaredevel/exams.html
>>>>>> #H2N10037
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paula
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Paula Christophersen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ICT Curriculum Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VCAA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 41 St Andrews Place
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EAST MELBOURNE 3002
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (03) 9651 4378
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