[Year 12 IT Apps] Will Increasing Automation Make Jets Less Safe?

Mark Kelly kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
Tue Aug 4 09:48:24 EST 2009


Indeed - a nice moral/legal dilemma for U4O2.

Also interesting that the crash investigators TV show has never raised 
the possibility of using car computer data to solve mystery crashes.

ken price wrote:
> Somewhere I have an old article about a controversy around the data 
> stored in car onboard computers (as fitted to most cars made in the last 
> decade).
> 
> These computers continously monitor various inputs (road speed, engine 
> speed, accelator position, gear, clutch and brake actions etc etc) as 
> part of the car's normal operation.. In the event of a crash there is 
> typically 20 seconds or so worth of data stored still, representing the 
> driver's actions up to the crash. If this is recovered it could inform 
> investigators as to what happened to cause the crash.
> 
> At the time the article was written, retrieving this data was deemed an 
> invasion of privacy as owners were not advised that the engine 
> management computer could be used as a black box data recorder. Police 
> at that time had no idea on any of this stuff - presumably that has changed.
> 
> Nice dilemma for students to consider.
> 
> These articles provide some of the information.
> http://www.allbusiness.com/automotive/automotive-research-vehicle-crash-testing/6241031-1.html 
> 
> http://www.edn.com/article/CA529380.html
> 
> Ken
> 
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au 
> <mailto:kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
> 
>     Including ABS and related technology in cars... !
> 
>     Timmer-Arends wrote:
> 
>         There is a long history of deadly situations involving the
>         Airbus and its fly-by-wire systems. Back in the late '80s early
>         '90s Perry Morrison and Tom Forester were documenting lots of
>         computer failures resulting human injury or death. They argued
>         that computers should not be put in charge of complex situations
>         wherein an error could result in disaster.
>         Regards
>         Robert T-A
> 

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