[Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
Russell, Steven S
russell.steven.s at edumail.vic.gov.au
Thu May 8 11:43:34 EST 2008
When I started the first year out was 19000. I climbed the ladder like
all others. Have been told fewer opportunities for me, as I am
experienced, as most Prins look at budget before experience. Hey! First
year out is equal to 1st year Docs. Not bad. Im not counting chickens
until eggs in basket, but, 1000, 10000 as from 11th then 4.2. 2.7 and
2.7, lets see first. I believe from past experience, 22 years aeu
member, it's a lot better than expected. I expected to really get
shafted as usual. What do you think? If not happy many more
opportunities out there in Private enterprise! Regards Steve from Mill
Park Senior.
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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Grimshaw
Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2008 11:20 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
great that you are happy. Im sure everyone agrees that expert teachers
deserve a pay rise.
I have to ask though, Steven, are you also happy that many teachers have
been offered less than inflation?
by the way, what school are you from steven?
andrew grimshaw
colac secondary college
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell, Steven S
<mailto:russell.steven.s at edumail.vic.gov.au>
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
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Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
Good on ya Janet. I am very happy. I have never had a 200 dollar
rise before. Always thought being an expert teacher was a hindrance as
to expensive. Good rise and absolutely deserved.
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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Bane, Janet A
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 1:29 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
Guys, Guys! we are getting a pay RISE, not pay cut. I can't
believe you aren't the teeniest tiniest bit happy! Yes, I am one of
those "Expert" teachers who have "stuck around doing the bare minimum
for long enough to reach the top of the classroom teacher scale", but
hey, I do an extra job (computer across the curriculum) and I work long
hours, (last night I left school at 93.0 pm - OK, it was Open night), am
available to students AND other teachers all lunchtimes, recesses,
before and after school, just like you. Trouble is, that our school has
only about 6 leading teachers in a staff of over 80, as they are seen as
"too expensive". So, I think, before you criticise Expert teachers, you
should acknowledge that experienced teachers are the backbone (the
"grunt") of most schools, without the reward of being a leading
teacher. I think most of us are quite happy with the pay rise, although
as others have said, the devil will be in detail.
just my two cents worth,
Janet Bane
Patterson River SC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Harper, Glenda
J
Sent: Wed 07-May-08 8:34 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
Hi All,
Yes, Andrew. The agreement is a disgrace. I'm not too sure
where Leading Teachers fit if teachers "at the top" have received the
largest pay rise. Leading Teachers, who have maximum responsibility and
(usually) full classroom teaching loads, have proved that they are, in
fact "at the top", but are receiving only a fraction of the pay rise
awarded to "Expert" teachers, some of whom have simply stuck around
doing the bare minimum for long enough to reach the top of the classroom
teacher scale. Leading Teachers do not cease to be highly skilled
classroom teachers just because they accept additional responsibility,
work longer hours, be available to students AND other teachers all
lunchtimes, recesses, before and after school . . . To quote one of my
esteemed colleagues: "We have been royally screwed!"
Glenda Harper
Sub-School Leader - Senior Years
Carwatha College P-12
harper.glenda.j at edumail.vic.gov.au
<mailto:harper.glenda.j at edumail.vic.gov.au>
Ph: 9795 5848
Fax: 9790 1712
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Andrew
Grimshaw
Sent: Tue 6/05/2008 11:17 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
hey all
>From my reading of it I think the deal is a disgrace. It
benefits those at
the top of the expert range and new gradautes but does nothing
for everyone
in between, who have seen the value of their wages be eroded
over the last
18 months
Again the devil will be in the detail, but in conversation with
the AEU on
the telephone today it was made clear to me that teachers will
not be moving
up levels to gain parity with NSW
True parity with NSW would apply to all teachers, not just new
ones and
those at the top
That is, if you are a 5th year teacher in Vic, your wage should
be
equivalent to a 5th year teacher in NSW.
Under my understanding of the deal struck a 5th year teacher in
in Vic will
be paid about the same as a 3rd year in NSW
that is for everyone in the system and not at the top level we
have gained
absolutely nothing and in fact have lost ground - both in pay
and conditions
I hope I am mistaken - I will be waiting with bated breath to
read the
agreement
Andrew Grimshaw
Colac Secondary College
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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:26 PM
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
> Victorian teachers to be nation's best-paid
>
> Farrah Tomazin May 5, 2008 - 11:33AM
>
<http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html>
>
> The education union has hailed a deal that will make Victorian
teachers
> the highest-paid in the country as the best deal for its
members in more
> than 25 years.
>
> The agreement between the State Government and the Australian
Education
> Union (AEU) resolves a 14-month industrial row, which included
three
> statewide teachers' strikes and weeks of rolling half-day
stoppages.
>
> The unions had threatened to walk off the job from May 13 to
15,
> disrupting during the first national literacy and numeracy
tests. The
> resolution of the industrial dispute means those tests are now
likely to
> go ahead without disruption.
>
> AEU Victorian branch president Mary Bluett said it was the
best enterprise
> bargaining deal for teachers that she had seen in 25 years
with the union.
>
> 11% rise for some
>
> However, there appears to be some contention over the
increases announced
> by Premier John Brumby and Education Minister Bronwyn Pike
this morning.
>
> The Government says the deal will equate to a 4.9% pay rise in
the first
> year and 2.7% in the second and third years of the agreement.
>
> But the union believes some of biggest beneficiaries of the
deal will get
> between 8% and 11%.
>
> "It's a complex arrangement, but the least any teacher is
going to get out
> of this is somewhere between five and six per cent per
annum,'' Ms Bluett
> said.
>
> "This is the best outcome in terms of salary and career
structure in my
> history as a union official of 25 years standing,'' Ms Bluett
said.
>
> Pupil-free days to stay
>
> A key sticking point in negotiations was the issue of
pupil-free days,
> which the Government had originally wanted to abolish.
>
> Under the new deal, three pupil free training days will be
brought to the
> start of the term and become professional training days and
only one will
> be held mid-term, in a bid to minimise disruption to parents.
>
> It also includes an exits strategy to remove disengage
teachers from
> classroom and find them new jobs.
>
> Secondary students will get an extra six days of tuition each
year under
> the deal, Mr Brumby said, describing it as a win for students
and
> teachers.
>
> "A graduate teacher in Victoria currently earns $46,127 and
under this
> agreement will become the highest-paid graduate teacher in the
country
> earning $51,184, while an experienced classroom teacher will
receive a
> $10,000 pay rise to $75,500."
>
> Mr Brumby said the pay deal was consistent with the
Government's wages
> policy of a 3.25% rise every year, plus increases off-set by
service
> improvement.
>
> State-by-state teacher salaries:
>
> Maximum for a classroom teacher
>
> Victoria - 2007: $65,414, 2008: $75,500
>
> NSW - 2007: $72,454, 2008: $75,352
>
> Queensland - 2007: $69,225, 2008: $71,994
>
> South Australia - 2007: $68,422, 2008: $68,422
>
> West Australia - 2007: $67,446, 2008: $71,206
>
> ACT - 2007: $71,767, 2008: $74,279
>
> Northern Territory: 2007: $70,047, 2008: $72,849
>
>
> Graduate Entry
>
> Victoria - 2007: $46,127, 2008: $51,184
>
> NSW - 2007: $49,050, 2008: $50,522
>
> Queensland - 2007: $46,950, 2008: $48,829
>
> South Australia - 2007: $49,605, 2008: $49,605
>
> West Australia - 2007: $44,618, 2008: $45,733
>
> ACT: 2007: $50,781, 2008: $50,781
>
> Northern Territory: $49,944, 2008: $49,944
>
> Source: Victorian Government
> --
>
> Cheers people
> Stephen Loosley
> Victoria, Australia
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