[Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

Thu May 8 10:13:08 EST 2008

Good on ya Janet. I am very happy. I have never had a 200 dollar rise
before. Always thought being an expert teacher was a hindrance as to
expensive. Good rise and absolutely deserved.

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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Bane, Janet A
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 1:29 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

Guys, Guys!  we are getting a pay RISE, not pay cut.  I can't believe
you aren't the teeniest tiniest bit happy!  Yes, I am one of those
"Expert" teachers who have "stuck around doing the bare minimum for long
enough to reach the top of the classroom teacher scale", but hey,  I do
an extra job (computer across the curriculum) and I work long hours,
(last night I left school at 93.0 pm - OK, it was Open night), am
available to students AND other teachers all lunchtimes, recesses,
before and after school, just like you.  Trouble is, that our school has
only about 6 leading teachers in a staff of over 80, as they are seen as
"too expensive".  So, I think, before you criticise Expert teachers, you
should acknowledge that experienced teachers are the backbone (the
"grunt")  of most schools, without the reward of being a leading
teacher.  I think most of us are quite happy with the pay rise, although
as others have said, the devil will be in detail.

just my two cents worth, 

Janet Bane
Patterson River SC

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Harper, Glenda J
Sent: Wed 07-May-08 8:34 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

Hi All,

Yes, Andrew.  The agreement is a disgrace.  I'm not too sure where
Leading Teachers fit if teachers "at the top" have received the largest
pay rise.  Leading Teachers, who have maximum responsibility and
(usually) full classroom teaching loads, have proved that they are, in
fact "at the top", but are receiving only a fraction of the pay rise
awarded to "Expert" teachers, some of whom have simply stuck around
doing the bare minimum for long enough to reach the top of the classroom
teacher scale.  Leading Teachers do not cease to be highly skilled
classroom teachers just because they accept additional responsibility,
work longer hours, be available to students AND other teachers all
lunchtimes, recesses, before and after school . . . To quote one of my
esteemed colleagues: "We have been royally screwed!"

Glenda Harper

Sub-School Leader - Senior Years

Carwatha College P-12

harper.glenda.j at edumail.vic.gov.au
<mailto:harper.glenda.j at edumail.vic.gov.au> 

Ph: 9795 5848

Fax: 9790 1712

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Andrew Grimshaw
Sent: Tue 6/05/2008 11:17 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

hey all

>From my reading of it I think the deal is a disgrace. It benefits those
at
the top of the expert range and new gradautes but does nothing for
everyone
in between, who have seen the value of their wages be eroded over the
last
18 months

Again the devil will be in the detail, but in conversation with the AEU
on
the telephone today it was made clear to me that teachers will not be
moving
up levels to gain parity with NSW

True parity with NSW would apply to all teachers, not just new ones and
those at the top

That is, if you are a 5th year teacher in Vic, your wage should be
equivalent to a 5th year teacher in NSW.

Under my understanding of the deal struck a 5th year teacher in in Vic
will
be paid about the same as  a 3rd year in NSW

that is for everyone in the system and not at the top level we have
gained
absolutely nothing and in fact have lost ground - both in pay and
conditions

I hope I am mistaken - I will be waiting with bated breath to read the
agreement

Andrew Grimshaw
Colac Secondary College

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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:26 PM
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

> Victorian teachers to be nation's best-paid
>
> Farrah Tomazin May 5, 2008 - 11:33AM
> <http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html>
>
> The education union has hailed a deal that will make Victorian
teachers
> the highest-paid in the country as the best deal for its members in
more
> than 25 years.
>
> The agreement between the State Government and the Australian
Education
> Union (AEU) resolves a 14-month industrial row, which included three
> statewide teachers' strikes and weeks of rolling half-day stoppages.
>
> The unions had threatened to walk off the job from May 13 to 15,
> disrupting during the first national literacy and numeracy tests. The
> resolution of the industrial dispute means those tests are now likely
to
> go ahead without disruption.
>
> AEU Victorian branch president Mary Bluett said it was the best
enterprise
> bargaining deal for teachers that she had seen in 25 years with the
union.
>
> 11% rise for some
>
> However, there appears to be some contention over the increases
announced
> by Premier John Brumby and Education Minister Bronwyn Pike this
morning.
>
> The Government says the deal will equate to a 4.9% pay rise in the
first
> year and 2.7% in the second and third years of the agreement.
>
> But the union believes some of biggest beneficiaries of the deal will
get
> between 8% and 11%.
>
> "It's a complex arrangement, but the least any teacher is going to get
out
> of this is somewhere between five and six per cent per annum,'' Ms
Bluett
> said.
>
> "This is the best outcome in terms of salary and career structure in
my
> history as a union official of 25 years standing,'' Ms Bluett said.
>
> Pupil-free days to stay
>
> A key sticking point in negotiations was the issue of pupil-free days,
> which the Government had originally wanted to abolish.
>
> Under the new deal, three pupil free training days will be brought to
the
> start of the term and become professional training days and only one
will
> be held mid-term, in a bid to minimise disruption to parents.
>
> It also includes an exits strategy to remove disengage teachers from
> classroom and find them new jobs.
>
> Secondary students will get an extra six days of tuition each year
under
> the deal, Mr Brumby said, describing it as a win for students and
> teachers.
>
> "A graduate teacher in Victoria currently earns $46,127 and under this
> agreement will become the highest-paid graduate teacher in the country
> earning $51,184, while an experienced classroom teacher will receive a
> $10,000 pay rise to $75,500."
>
> Mr Brumby said the pay deal was consistent with the Government's wages
> policy of a 3.25% rise every year, plus increases off-set by service
> improvement.
>
> State-by-state teacher salaries:
>
> Maximum for a classroom teacher
>
> Victoria - 2007: $65,414, 2008: $75,500
>
> NSW - 2007: $72,454, 2008: $75,352
>
> Queensland - 2007: $69,225, 2008: $71,994
>
> South Australia - 2007: $68,422, 2008: $68,422
>
> West Australia - 2007: $67,446, 2008: $71,206
>
> ACT - 2007: $71,767, 2008: $74,279
>
> Northern Territory: 2007: $70,047, 2008: $72,849
>
>
> Graduate Entry
>
> Victoria - 2007: $46,127, 2008: $51,184
>
> NSW - 2007: $49,050, 2008: $50,522
>
> Queensland - 2007: $46,950, 2008: $48,829
>
> South Australia - 2007: $49,605, 2008: $49,605
>
> West Australia - 2007: $44,618, 2008: $45,733
>
> ACT: 2007: $50,781, 2008: $50,781
>
> Northern Territory: $49,944, 2008: $49,944
>
> Source: Victorian Government
> --
>
> Cheers people
> Stephen Loosley
> Victoria, Australia
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