[Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

Wed May 7 10:39:12 EST 2008

The headlines in the Herald Sun stated that we will be the highest paid
teachers in Australia.

Vic $ 75,500 compared to NSW $75,300 ( approx) 

My understanding however, is that the VIC $75,500 will take 4 years to be
implemented. What will happen to the NSW wages over these 4 years?

I suspect in 4 years time we will be $10,000 behind NSW. Sound familiar?

Phil Pike

Director of ICT

Bacchus Marsh Grammar

P (03) 5366 4800

F (03) 53664850

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From: Russell, Steven S [mailto:russell.steven.s at edumail.vic.gov.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 10:23 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

The Principal has discretion in relation to a teachers worth. They can take
Tafe background into consideration as they did with me. Regards Steve

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Clare, Ian J
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 9:39 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

I agree Chris

I had a career in banking and accounting, taught at TAFE and this was not
taken into consideration. 

Ian Clare

e-mail clare.ian.j at edumail.vic.gov.au
<mailto:clare.ian.j at edumail.vic.gov.au> 

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From: Lenghaus, Christine C 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 9:24 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

Here's another perspective - I trained as a teacher 15 years ago and chose
to work for companies o/s (teaching 5.5 years) and in Oz, local and federal
govt, have a family and have a world of experience that I bring to the
classroom.  I know how much work teaching is and am working part-time to
make sure I survive this year (sounded like a good idea..)  but one of my
students who works part time at McDonald's earns more than I do because none
of the experience I gained counts for anything and I earn graduate wages!

C

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Kent Beveridge
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 9:02 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

Here's another perspective. 

Firstly, we have not yet seen the 'mechanics' of the rises... who gets what,
when, how much and over what time based on exactly what grounds.

Personally, I would have liked to do leading teacher work years ago but when
faced with not 'what', but 'who' you know and the proverbial glass ceiling
among other factors out of my control, I am now seeing my role as being the
best classroom teacher I can. I am glad that at last the govt has agreed to
increase our wage, yes I'd like more for the effort I make, but will take
what I can get!

How much flows into the non-govt sector remains to be seen!

KB.

Kent Beveridge,

I.T. co-ordinator

St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College

Horsham

email.. kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au <mailto:kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au> 

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Geoff Moss
Sent: Tue 5/6/2008 10:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

Has anyone considered that there has been a significant win for the
government too?

With staff being required to work an extra 50 minutes a week, that is one
teacher allotment for every 20 teachers per week.  Does this mean that the
government can reduce the staffing numbers in each school.  So teachers will
work a little more each week, and if total school allotments remain the
same, schools will have "excess staff ".

Is this the governments way of not having to so rapidly replace retiring,
and more costly, staff as the baby boomers bulge goes through to retirement.
It may also encourage some to stay to improve their super payouts and thus
avoid the predicted shortage of teachers in the next 5-10 years.

Call me cynical, but there are significant gains for the government if it
can reduce school staffing by 5% overall (1 in 20 teachers) to the overall
bottom line of education funding, especially if the replacement staff are
younger, lower paid graduates.

I have not seen any promise to maintain staffing levels in the announcements
to date.

Could this be the reason that the government has not revealed how much the
agreement has cost the government?
And of Bronwyn Pike's confident announcement that "any additional wages will
be offset by service improvements . . "

Let's wait and see the fine print and bottom line before rejoicing too much.
It may be that some hard fought gains of the past may have been lost.

The government does not give in that easily, instance the deals with nurses
and police!

Let's hope I am all wrong.

Geoff Moss
RMIT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Barry" <barry.chris.b at edumail.vic.gov.au>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:42 PM
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> It is probably best to wait for the official AEU statement, as there have
> been many conflicting reports in the media.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
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<mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au> ]
> On Behalf Of stephen at melbpc.org.au
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 7:27 PM
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> Cc: offtopic at edulists.com.au; itapps at edulists.com.au
> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
>
> Victorian teachers to be nation's best-paid
>
> Farrah Tomazin May 5, 2008 - 11:33AM
> <http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html
<http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html> >
>
> The education union has hailed a deal that will make Victorian teachers
> the highest-paid in the country as the best deal for its members in more
> than 25 years.
>
> The agreement between the State Government and the Australian Education
> Union (AEU) resolves a 14-month industrial row, which included three
> statewide teachers' strikes and weeks of rolling half-day stoppages.
>
> The unions had threatened to walk off the job from May 13 to 15,
> disrupting during the first national literacy and numeracy tests. The
> resolution of the industrial dispute means those tests are now likely to
> go ahead without disruption.
>
> AEU Victorian branch president Mary Bluett said it was the best enterprise
> bargaining deal for teachers that she had seen in 25 years with the union.
>
> 11% rise for some
>
> However, there appears to be some contention over the increases announced
> by Premier John Brumby and Education Minister Bronwyn Pike this morning.
>
> The Government says the deal will equate to a 4.9% pay rise in the first
> year and 2.7% in the second and third years of the agreement.
>
> But the union believes some of biggest beneficiaries of the deal will get
> between 8% and 11%.
>
> "It's a complex arrangement, but the least any teacher is going to get out
> of this is somewhere between five and six per cent per annum,'' Ms Bluett
> said.
>
> "This is the best outcome in terms of salary and career structure in my
> history as a union official of 25 years standing,'' Ms Bluett said.
>
> Pupil-free days to stay
>
> A key sticking point in negotiations was the issue of pupil-free days,
> which the Government had originally wanted to abolish.
>
> Under the new deal, three pupil free training days will be brought to the
> start of the term and become professional training days and only one will
> be held mid-term, in a bid to minimise disruption to parents.
>
> It also includes an exits strategy to remove disengage teachers from
> classroom and find them new jobs.
>
> Secondary students will get an extra six days of tuition each year under
> the deal, Mr Brumby said, describing it as a win for students and
> teachers.
>
> "A graduate teacher in Victoria currently earns $46,127 and under this
> agreement will become the highest-paid graduate teacher in the country
> earning $51,184, while an experienced classroom teacher will receive a
> $10,000 pay rise to $75,500."
>
> Mr Brumby said the pay deal was consistent with the Government's wages
> policy of a 3.25% rise every year, plus increases off-set by service
> improvement.
>
> State-by-state teacher salaries:
>
> Maximum for a classroom teacher
>
> Victoria - 2007: $65,414, 2008: $75,500
>
> NSW - 2007: $72,454, 2008: $75,352
>
> Queensland - 2007: $69,225, 2008: $71,994
>
> South Australia - 2007: $68,422, 2008: $68,422
>
> West Australia - 2007: $67,446, 2008: $71,206
>
> ACT - 2007: $71,767, 2008: $74,279
>
> Northern Territory: 2007: $70,047, 2008: $72,849
>
>
> Graduate Entry
>
> Victoria - 2007: $46,127, 2008: $51,184
>
> NSW - 2007: $49,050, 2008: $50,522
>
> Queensland - 2007: $46,950, 2008: $48,829
>
> South Australia - 2007: $49,605, 2008: $49,605
>
> West Australia - 2007: $44,618, 2008: $45,733
>
> ACT: 2007: $50,781, 2008: $50,781
>
> Northern Territory: $49,944, 2008: $49,944
>
> Source: Victorian Government
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> Cheers people
> Stephen Loosley
> Victoria, Australia
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