[Year 12 IT Apps] IT field

Mon Feb 18 23:21:42 EST 2008

If they're cleaners in remote communities I can understand the $100,000
salary. If it was me I'd be asking for double the salary and a biohazard
suit. Is a company plane included?

The electricians I met in the outback who flew from one community to
another were making a fortune doing electricals for the Ed Depts remote
communities houses (ie: teacher houses).  Guess they were making enough
to afford their own plane.

Zach Alexakos

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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Bill Oldham
Sent: Monday, 18 February 2008 10:24 PM
To: 'Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT field

Didn't somebody just mention that four physics teachers went to WA to
teach and took jobs as cleaners at $100,000 a year?

Regards, Bill Oldham

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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kent Beveridge
Sent: Monday, 18 February 2008 1:55 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT field

Hey Michael, 

read your summary about the 'killing off' process wrt IT.  Your comments
are pretty much right. (didnt know IT was sexy!). But did know it is
promoted as easy (but in reality...isnt, with all the theory stuff AND
prac to be done).

Like yourself, I also have maths so perhaps down the track, might be
redeployed as a Maths teacher as have just got myself accredited to
teach at VCE level now. (that was hard work!).

For those interested...WA needs maths teachers big time and apparently
so does NSW...(perhaps the pay might have something to do with why Vic
teachers are supposedly moving over the border? or so they say...).

Personally, I like the standard of living in VIC.

Hey, as a promo...perhaps someone can INFORM the careers teachers that
IT graduates and specialists get a bloody good wage!  Then who cares if
it aint sexy!!!  OR, maybe the careers teachers and course advisors can
actually experience the REAL workforce(as many have not!) and get the
truth about what they are promoting!!   And before others attack me on
that one....I had real jobs for 9 years before teaching and yes, I do
know what I am on about!! I also keep in touch with the outside job
world too just for my own interests.

Kent.

Kent Beveridge,

I.T. co-ordinator

St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College

Horsham

email.. kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Michael Walker
Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 12:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT field

>>> "andrew barry" <jagguy999 at gmail.com> 16/02/2008 2:36 pm >>>
>there is only 1 part-time job in IT available in the whole state of
Vic.

>why is it like this?

>do schools not value IT and not many opportunities exist?

I assume from your post you are talking about teaching jobs, not
technicians as Robyn from Camberwell High posted about requiring a
technician there and Canterbury Girls Sec Coll are looking for someone
too. As an aside these are both genuine positions not people reapplying
for their contract - most of you will know what I mean by that and why
it's relevant!

If this assumption is correct, I would suggest you dive into the
edulists archives and read all the postings regarding IT classes running
and not running towards the end of last year which should explain why
there may not be as many IT teaching jobs available as you might expect.

In a nutshell from the top of my head:
* VELS incorporating ICT as a cross curricular domain is being used as a
reason for cutting IT classes because "other subject teachers can teach
them". Some schools redeploy IT teachers as some sort of coach/mentor
but I suspect many don't = lost positions.
* VCE IT is on the nose with students as the perception is that it gets
marked down for their ENTER score unlike say various Mathematics
subjects. Also, it's not a prerequisite for anything at uni unlike Maths
or English. So classes get smaller and eventually unviable which is what
happened here. Negative feedback spiral some might say.
* Careers Coordinators are suggesting it as an "easy" topic for students
who may struggle in other subjects, thus putting off the more academic
students.
* The subject isn't as sexy or interesting as say Art or Drama or Psych
or the Science ones so again it loses out. This one is a little
subjective but the nerd^H^H^H^H more science / maths / IT oriented
students that may choose IT are more likely to choose Biol or Chem or
Maths Methods or Specialist leaving less of a likelihood of choosing IT
for the reasons listed above.

I think that was the main gist of what was said last year. If I've got
it wrong or left something out, I'm sure someone will jump in to correct
me and defend the honour of the subject...:)

Hopefully you've got another area you can teach as well as IT otherwise
you might be a little stuck...

Michael Walker
CGSC tech and future IT teacher (fortunately also Maths)

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