[Year 12 IT Apps] RE: Google docs issue

Sun Dec 7 11:21:45 EST 2008

Hi Royce!

Hope Billanook Alligator Farms is going well!

Sorry, this is a very important issue.

First: We need to consider what the prime function of schools and the use of 
ICT in schools should be. I go back to my original statement - "The 
curriculum, the education and needs of the students are paramount."

Second: We obviously have communication problems with one side (teachers) 
not understanding the needs/problems/constraints of the other side 
(techs/admin) - and of course vice versa. There needs to be positive 
communication between all parties concerned at school level.

Third: Why is it that some schools, even those with low funding levels, can 
do it so well and others make a mess of it? . . . People?

I come back to my first two points - we need to establish priorities, and we 
need real communication within schools about how we can meet the educational 
needs of the students.

Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
robert at yinnar.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Royce Williams" <Royce.Williams at billanook.vic.edu.au>
To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List" 
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Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] RE: Google docs issue

> So will one of you give me educational reason that is so pressing that I 
> must divert technological resources to reconfiguring the firewall to allow 
> google docs through. The fact that you "like" firefox and google is 
> niether educational or technical justification. It is really worrying when 
> IT teachers in particular do not understand the technological underpining 
> and resource shortages that control the managment of ICT in schools.
>
> Royce Williams
> Sent from my AppleBerry
>
> On 06/12/2008, at 11:29 AM, "Robert" 
> <robert at yinnar.com<mailto:robert at yinnar.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ros.
>
> The curriculum, the education and needs of the students are paramount.
>
> There may well be some things we "cannot do" on a school network. But the 
> whole technical "tail" needs to put its best efforts into supporting the 
> curriculum and make sure that the dog wags the tail.
>
> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
> Ashwood and Traralgon
> <mailto:robert at yinnar.com>robert at yinnar.com<mailto:robert at yinnar.com>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ros Meadows<mailto:ros.meadows at gmail.com>
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing 
> List<mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au>
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] RE: Google docs issue
>
> Once again a case of the tail (ie the techs) wagging the dog (ie the 
> curriculum)!!
>
> There is NO sound reason why you can't have firefox and google images, 
> sometimes I wonder if it is just plain laziness, lack of ability or just a 
> hunger for power on the part of techs.
>
> Cheers
> Ros
> BentleighSC
>
> <mailto:murch at tpg.com.au>murch at tpg.com.au<mailto:murch at tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
> We have some issues with google docs as well. Google images are blocked at 
> our school so this presents problems with the appearance of google
> docs. I also want firefox on our computer network but was told we cant 
> have it. We are supposed to be a leading 21st century school!!! I love 
> using
> google docs and use them extensively both with staff and schools in other 
> countries etc. Means it is difficult to use them with my students. It is 
> most
> annoying.
> Anne Mirtschin
> Hawkesdale P12 College
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