[Year 12 IT Apps] OC2 Virtual coll..secure page qn..

Sun Apr 20 14:18:29 EST 2008

Outcome 2 Virtual Collaboration..
Using front page, a web can be created incorporating  a self registration page for a discussion forum. What is the consensus from you guys about using this as an option to allow 'secure virtual collaboration'. 
Its available on the page selection feature with FP to build into webs and we are required to build into our site a virtual discussion forum. 
Any comments on this idea. 
Paula C. is this a legitimate approach?

Visual thinking.. anyone got a magic bullet for that one yet? We all had our different approaches last year on the VT approach.

Handpass...

Kent.

Kent Beveridge,
I.T. co-ordinator
St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College
Horsham
email.. kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Timmer-Arends
Sent: Sat 4/19/2008 8:28 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT applications 2007 exam: assessor's report

Validation is used to
D. prevent inaccurate data from entering the system

It would have been better if D had read: D minimise inaccurate...
but, given that it didn't, D is the *most* correct answer

because, as has been pointed out, validation (manual or electronic) can
never prevent inaccurate data from entering a system; eg the form that the
entry operator is using may have been filled out incorrectly etc

And (for the sake of my pedantic soul) I no longer think spell checking
should be considered as a validation technique because it is not actually
checking the validity of the data, but the validity of the spelling.
"Correct" spelling is a convention: fish, fyche, or ghoti are all written
representations in the English language of those animals you eat with chips.
If the data were about types of animals found on a plate then 'ghoti' would
be correct, but becuase it does not follow convention it becomes difficult
to understand. And isn't that one of the purposes of conventions: to give us
a common frame of reference?

Regards
Robert T-A

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Scott" <msc at luther.vic.edu.au>
To: "'Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List'"
<itapps at edulists.com.au>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT applications 2007 exam: assessor's report

Forget machine validation.

The question is talking about manual validation.

Checking for typos etc is clearly checking for accuracy.

Mark Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
Sent: Friday, 18 April 2008 2:24 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT applications 2007 exam: assessor's report

Hi Mark

Yes, I include spell checking as validation, and I agree that the other
options are all bad, but I don't accept that validation can check that
data are accurate.

If a person's age is entered as 19 into a database, validation can't
prove the person is 19 or not.  All it can do is tell whether 19 is a
reasonable age or not under the circumstances (e.g. 19 would not be
reasonable if the database stored data on newborn babies, or if it were
an old folk's home).

And looking at databases' validation options, you can check for data
range, type, existence, uniqueness, even its existence in a limited
list, but not "accuracy"  :-)

The Q does not mention calculations, but what I tried to say was that
testing accuracy is a role of testing, not validation (and my kids
frequently confuse testing and validation (and evaluation, come to think
of it).

It's mainly annoying that the question contradicts the Study Design
glossary, which is mandated knowledge.  But then again, it's Friday
afternoon and most things annoy me then.

Mark Scott wrote:
> Not sure I agree with you on this one.
>
> Checking data entry for spelling mistakes is validation (I think).
>
> And where does the part d mention calculations?
>
> And it is certainly the most correct response. (the first three are
> testing)
>
> Mark Scott
> "Education is an admirable thing, but remember that nothing that is worth
> knowing can be taught." Oscar Wilde
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
> Sent: Friday, 18 April 2008 1:23 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT applications 2007 exam: assessor's
> report
>
> I see Section A Q9 had no comment by the examiners...
>
> "Validation is used to
> A. check the accuracy of calculations.
> B. detect software errors and alert the manager.
> C. test functions and alert programmers to errors.
> D. prevent inaccurate data from entering the system.
>
> The official 'right' answer was still steadfastly 'D', which is rubbish.
>
> It cannot be D because validation does NOT check the ACCURACY of data,
> only its reasonableness.
>
> Even the sacred IT glossary says validation checks data input to a system
> is of an "appropriate type for processing, and within acceptable
> boundaries")
>
> So are we to accept that validation is used to check the accuracy of
> calculations? No - that's called testing.
>
> Hmphh.
> Not happy, Jan.
>
>
>
> Christophersen, Paula P wrote:
>> Dear colleagues
>>
>>
>>
>> The assessor's report on the 2007 IT apps examination is now available
>> at:
>>
>> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/it-applications/exams.
>> html#H2N10037
>>
>>
>>
>> It is also attached. I will let you know when the Software development
>> report is available.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Paula
>>
>>
>>
>> Paula Christophersen
>>
>> ICT Curriculum Manager
>>
>> VCAA
>>
>> 41 St Andrews Place
>>
>> EAST MELBOURNE 3002
>>
>> (03) 9651 4378
>>
>
>
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