[Year 12 IT Apps] IT applications 2007 exam: assessor's report

Sat Apr 19 12:43:14 EST 2008

I think this would be an examples of manual validation unless you coded all
of the suburbs into the programming language and got it to validate from
here. Once of the difficulties of programming validation is things like
spelling errors, etc., which would have to be coded in. Once way to get
around it would be to have a drop down combo box that the user can select
from and this would get around this issue.

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Robert

You started well (agreeing with me)

But then you lost me.

Checking the spelling of a suburb is surely data validation?

Wikipedia defines it as...

"data validation is the process of ensuring that a program operates on
clean, correct and useful data. It uses routines, often called validation
rules, that check for correctness or meaningfulness of data that are input
to the system."

...and as we all know Wikipedia is the font of all knowledge. (to quote Tim
Berners-Lee)

: )

Mark Scott

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Validation is used to
D. prevent inaccurate data from entering the system

It would have been better if D had read: D minimise inaccurate...
but, given that it didn't, D is the *most* correct answer

because, as has been pointed out, validation (manual or electronic) can
never prevent inaccurate data from entering a system; eg the form that the
entry operator is using may have been filled out incorrectly etc

And (for the sake of my pedantic soul) I no longer think spell checking
should be considered as a validation technique because it is not actually
checking the validity of the data, but the validity of the spelling.
"Correct" spelling is a convention: fish, fyche, or ghoti are all written
representations in the English language of those animals you eat with chips.
If the data were about types of animals found on a plate then 'ghoti' would
be correct, but becuase it does not follow convention it becomes difficult
to understand. And isn't that one of the purposes of conventions: to give us
a common frame of reference?

Regards
Robert T-A

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Forget machine validation.

The question is talking about manual validation.

Checking for typos etc is clearly checking for accuracy.

Mark Scott

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Hi Mark

Yes, I include spell checking as validation, and I agree that the other
options are all bad, but I don't accept that validation can check that
data are accurate.

If a person's age is entered as 19 into a database, validation can't
prove the person is 19 or not.  All it can do is tell whether 19 is a
reasonable age or not under the circumstances (e.g. 19 would not be
reasonable if the database stored data on newborn babies, or if it were
an old folk's home).

And looking at databases' validation options, you can check for data
range, type, existence, uniqueness, even its existence in a limited
list, but not "accuracy"  :-)

The Q does not mention calculations, but what I tried to say was that
testing accuracy is a role of testing, not validation (and my kids
frequently confuse testing and validation (and evaluation, come to think
of it).

It's mainly annoying that the question contradicts the Study Design
glossary, which is mandated knowledge.  But then again, it's Friday
afternoon and most things annoy me then.

Mark Scott wrote:
> Not sure I agree with you on this one.
>
> Checking data entry for spelling mistakes is validation (I think).
>
> And where does the part d mention calculations?
>
> And it is certainly the most correct response. (the first three are
> testing)
>
> Mark Scott
> "Education is an admirable thing, but remember that nothing that is worth
> knowing can be taught." Oscar Wilde
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
> Sent: Friday, 18 April 2008 1:23 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT applications 2007 exam: assessor's
> report
>
> I see Section A Q9 had no comment by the examiners...
>
> "Validation is used to
> A. check the accuracy of calculations.
> B. detect software errors and alert the manager.
> C. test functions and alert programmers to errors.
> D. prevent inaccurate data from entering the system.
>
> The official 'right' answer was still steadfastly 'D', which is rubbish.
>
> It cannot be D because validation does NOT check the ACCURACY of data,
> only its reasonableness.
>
> Even the sacred IT glossary says validation checks data input to a system
> is of an "appropriate type for processing, and within acceptable
> boundaries")
>
> So are we to accept that validation is used to check the accuracy of
> calculations? No - that's called testing.
>
> Hmphh.
> Not happy, Jan.
>
>
>
> Christophersen, Paula P wrote:
>> Dear colleagues
>>
>>
>>
>> The assessor's report on the 2007 IT apps examination is now available
>> at:
>>
>> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/it-applications/exams.
>> html#H2N10037
>>
>>
>>
>> It is also attached. I will let you know when the Software development
>> report is available.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Paula
>>
>>
>>
>> Paula Christophersen
>>
>> ICT Curriculum Manager
>>
>> VCAA
>>
>> 41 St Andrews Place
>>
>> EAST MELBOURNE 3002
>>
>> (03) 9651 4378
>>
>
>
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