[Year 12 IT Apps] Study design content

Fri Oct 5 09:48:33 EST 2007

Likewise: this is what I love about IPM/ITApps! To know the difference is important because students will be tested on these hair splitting
inconsequentialities.

Laurie

On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 05:28:06PM +1000, Robert Hind mentioned:
> Robert
> 
> I am referred to as  pedantic! But
> 
> I agree with you
> 
> What we have here is I would suggest the very pedantic approach of some who 
> have little idea of the real life applications of IT.
> 
> To suggest that ADDIE, with the TD subsumed within the Development phase is 
> substantially different from ADDTDIE is ridiculous. Obviously you Test on 
> an on-going basis during Development and you produce the user Documentation 
> at the end of the Development phase immediately before Implementation.
> 
> So what have "they" done? Simply introduce another two phases, give the 
> whole thing another name, PSM, and claim this is something new.
> 
> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
> Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Timmer-Arends" <timmer at melbpc.org.au>
> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List" 
> <itapps at edulists.com.au>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Study design content
> 
> 
> >The SDLC is a problem-solving methodology but for 'systems' problems, so 
> >you would expect the stages to be more or less the same. What is important 
> >is what happens under each of these headings, not the headings themselves.
> >
> >Regards
> >Robert T-A
> >Brighton SC
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Mark Kelly" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
> >To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List" 
> ><itapps at edulists.com.au>
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:27 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Study design content
> >
> >
> >>It does seem rather like hair-splitting.  Putting testing & documentation 
> >>into the development phase is not, I feel, a significant difference.
> >>
> >>In my travels I have seen the SDLC range from ADDIE to ADDTDIE, and a 
> >>dozen other variations, some with completely different phases including 
> >>Feasibility Study and Maintenance.
> >>
> >>Visit wikipedia and webopedia and it's obvious that there is no single 
> >>definition of 'SDLC'.  The glossary itself admits that the stages are 
> >>rather arbitrary since is mentions that "in this study the method chosen 
> >>involves", implying that other methods exist and may be just as valid.
> >>
> >>So why, I wonder, was testing and documentation omitted from the SDLC but 
> >>included in the PSM?  Was it done for a reason, or was it arbitrary?
> >>
> >>And if there is in fact no effective difference between the SDLC and PSM, 
> >>why persist in assigning them different numbers of phases when in fact 
> >>all the same actions are being done in both models, but some actions are 
> >>subsumed into other phases?
> >>
> >>Anyway, it's not a serious problem. It just seems a bit odd to me.
> >>
> >>Christophersen, Paula P wrote:
> >>>Mark, the SDLC has only five phases: analysis, design, development, 
> >>>implementation and evaluation, unlike the problem solving methodology 
> >>>for creating solutions which has seven stages.
> >>>
> >>>Regards
> >>>Paula
> >>>
> >>>________________________________
> >>>
> >>>From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Mark Kelly
> >>>Sent: Tue 18/09/2007 3:07 PM
> >>>To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> >>>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Study design content
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Yes, but if all the stages within the SDLC and the PSM are identically
> >>>named, is there any effective difference between them, apart from the 
> >>>name?
> >>>
> >>>I don't mean to quibble, but if there's any difference between the
> >>>phases of the SDLC and PSM then I've yet to find it.
> >>>
> >>>They seem to be the same philosophy/strategy, used to both solve
> >>>problems to develop systems.
> >>>
> >>>Christophersen, Paula P wrote:
> >>>>Mark and colleagues
> >>>>
> >>>>The problem solving methodology in unit 3 relates to solving 
> >>>>information
> >>>>problems, not information system problems. The term used for systems is
> >>>>SDLC.
> >>>>
> >>>>Regards
> >>>>Paula
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
> >>>>[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2007 12:48 PM
> >>>>To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Study design content
> >>>>
> >>>>O, but it _is_.
> >>>>
> >>>>ITA U3O1 KK4 demands that we cover "A problem-solving methodology
> >>>>involving analysis, design, development, testing, implementation and
> >>>>evaluation."  Same for ITA U4O1 (including the documentation phase.)
> >>>>
> >>>>Sound familiar?  It's the SDLC wearing a fake moustache.
> >>>>
> >>>>Are you saying we teach the SDLC but just call it "A problem-solving
> >>>>methodology" in exam questions?
> >>>>
> >>>>Christophersen, Paula P wrote:
> >>>>>Dear colleagues
> >>>>>
> >>>>>When preparing your students for the end of year examination, do not
> >>>>>develop any questions on, or revise the topic of, the systems
> >>>>>development life cycle (SDLC). This was part of the Information
> >>>>>Processing and Management study design, and it is *not *included in IT
> >>>>>applications.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Paula
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Paula Christophersen
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Acting Manager
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Senior Secondary Curriculum Unit
> >>>>>
> >>>>>VCAA
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>--
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> >>>Manager - Information Systems
> >>>McKinnon Secondary College
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> >>
> >>
> >>-- 
> >>Mark Kelly
> >>Manager - Information Systems
> >>McKinnon Secondary College
> >>McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
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