[Year 12 IT Apps] IT Lecture Notes

Thu Feb 8 11:05:59 EST 2007

I quite agree. The purpose of Marks analysis is clearly educational.
Quoting and reflecting upon portions of past examination by educators
certainly seems like fair use to me. The work is already past any real
value, the proportion of the work quoted is smaller than the whole
(formatting, coversheet, marksheet, instructions, examiners report included)
and the effect of the Marks work on the potential VCAA resale market
limited.

Has the VCAA copyright owner lost any money from Marks analysis? Once used,
the commercial value of any examination question lapses. I don't imagine
that the VCAA make any money by exporting and selling old examination
questions to third world schools. Although there may be a very small market
in the sale of reprints of old examinations, there is more merit in
encouraging their free distribution for the next generation of students to
use as practice examinations. The proposition that anybody would think to
benefit from assembling a new examination from the fragments posted by Mark
is equally laughable.

The practice of teaching includes a synthesis of deep analysis, reflection
and rich learning experiences that challenge current thinking. Without this
dissemination of past and trial examinations, Mark would be teaching his
students by shouting from a pulpit. Without sharing his thoughts with
colleagues, he is teaching with his head in the sand. This is not the
behavior of a true educational professional.

I am soundly gobsmacked that anybody would be given a direction to NOT
freely quote portions from, reflect, discuss or critique past examination
questions, destroying considerable good will and stalling or moving
underground any reasonable academic research and reflection that is part of
my profession as an educational scientist.

If my analysis of our current legislation is wrong then I will repeat here a
very good quotation from Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens:
"If the law supposes that," said Mr. Bumble,… "the law is a ass—a idiot. If
that's the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the
law is that his eye may be opened by experience—by experience."
http://www.bartleby.com/73/1002.html

Regards Roland

PS: No, I did not contact Barleby for permission to quote a portion of their
database or for this link. I think they have better things to do ...

On 07/02/07, Bane, Janet A <bane.janet.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
> I think its kind of ironic really, the emphasis in the new study design is
> all about collaborative sharing of knowledge and resources.  Sad that they
> can't practice what they preach.
>
> It would be good if EVERYONE who subscribes to this list showed their
> support of mark's fantastic work over the years.  I for one am truly
> greatful for all the great resources he has put together, including the
> "illegal" post mortem.
>
> Keep up the good work
>
> Janet Bane
> Patterson Rive SC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of
> margaret.lawson at konstantkaos.net
> Sent: Tue 06-Feb-07 4:32 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Lecture Notes
>
>
>
> I am just catching up with this thread ... what can I say - absolute
> bullshit.
>
> We use the technology to COLLABORATE and to enrich the learning of the
> collective group, and the reward is a slap in the face.
>
> Does this "copyright" decision have ramifications for anyone presenting at
> conferences or PD events?
>
> Mark, a big thankyou from the IT Teaching community, your efforts have
> been appreciated by teachers and students alike.
>
> Grrr
>
> Margaret
>
>
> > "Tis a sad day.  I enjoyed your post mortems Mark.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Caroline Thomas
> >
> > Baimbridge College, Hamilton
> > 85 Stephen Street
> > HAMILTON  VIC 3300
> > Ph 03 5572 2788
> > Fax 03 5572 5811
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Mark Kelly
> > Sent: Mon 05-February-2007 9:30 AM
> > To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Lecture Notes
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm staying out of it for the time being.
> >
> > It's the decision of VCAA's copyright officer, Renee Brierley, and
> Paula.
> >
> > What I'll have to do is put the copyrighted stuff (exam questions, key
> > knowledge & skills, glossary) on our extranet so the only people who can
>
> > reach those bits will be McKinnon students.  Sigh.
> >
> > Kevork Krozian wrote:
> >> Hi Folks,
> >>
> >> I feel a little confused here and perhaps Mark can shed more light on
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Mark can't publish his discussion of the questions because it is
> >> copyright means what ?
> >>
> >> .. that the questions are owned by the VCAA and to mention them is
> >> breach of intellectual property even though you are teaching the
> subject
> >> and obviously need to discuss it with your students and colleagues ?
> >>  .. that it does not qualify for an exemption on the grounds that it is
>
> >> not educational ???? What does that mean ? How much more educational
> >> does it have to be if not to discuss how Yr 12 students would be
> >> reasonably expected to answer the questions based on what is in the
> >> study design ?
> >>
> >>   I am rather confused. Mark if you are reading this please help us all
> >> understand the answers to these questions.
> >> Perhaps Paula can help us find some of these answers too .
> >>
> >> Yours in sadness
> >>
> >> Kevork Krozian
> >> Mailing List Creator and Administrator
> >> kevork at edulists.com.au
> >> www.edulists.com.au
> >> Tel: 0419 356 034
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie Iaquinto"
> >> < IAQUIM at bialik.vic.edu.au>
> >> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
> >> <itapps at edulists.com.au>
> >> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:26 PM
> >> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Lecture Notes
> >>
> >>
> >>> I agree! The Post Mortem was SO valuable. And your sense of humour
> >>> lifted a rather difficult subject. The answers suggested were and
> >>> remain an excellent teaching tool.
> >>>
> >>> Are there any others who feel this way?
> >>>
> >>> Maggie
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Brett Davies
> >>> Sent: Mon 2/5/2007 5:11 PM
> >>> To: itapps at edulists.com.au
> >>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Lecture Notes
> >>>
> >>> How ridiculous!
> >>>
> >>> Those notes, post mortems and everything else you contribute have been
>
> >>> extremely valuable to my students and will be sorely missed. Does VCAA
> >>> propose to replace this with something just as useful?..... or have
> >>> they offerred no alternative just a no!
> >>>
> >>> If this was not educational use what was it?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au  >>>
> >>> Apologies for cross-posts.
> >>>
> >>> At the insistence of the Copyright Officer at the VCAA I have removed
> >>> all of their copyrighted material from the IT Lecture Notes site,
> >>> including all of the exam post mortems, the course summaries, and the
> >>> annotated glossary.
> >>>
> >>> They tell me 'this is not considered an "educational use".'
> >>>
> >>> I can't be bothered arguing with the VCAA lawyers about how many words
> >>> I'm allowed to quote, so there are probably not going to be any more
> IT
> >>> post mortems.
> >>>
> >>> I'm just going to go away and mumble a lot now.
> >>>
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