[Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
WEIR Andrew
WEIR at thomascarr.vic.edu.au
Fri Aug 24 10:05:18 EST 2007
Roland
Thanks for the website great way to start a Friday.
Andrew
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen
Sent: Friday, 24 August 2007 12:35 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
Say Andrew, I am surrounded on three sides at my school by huge
electrical pylons (its like a scene out of The Castle) and an EduPASS
WAP in my office. I think that I need to start wearing a protective
beanie made from aluminum foil. Will this protect me?
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
Kevork is spot on .. although it isn't so much clawing back control as
tearing up what schools have done. I remember a time when we built our
network s with no department guidance, support or vision. At least the
Uni up the road was a good source of inspiration. Is my world going
upside down with things being sold off or ceded to federal or state
bodies? Hospitals are next I see. Universities? Are schools next?
I would be very unhappy if I was told to use any one Network OS compared
to the hybrid network that has suited and grown into the needs of my
school. The technicians I have spoken have similarly expressed concerns
about this shift. What might benefit and support a small, regional
primary school has considerably less merit for larger secondary school.
I am no fan of major, disruptive changes that shuffle power upwards to
only deliver a hypothetical and incremental improvement. I shudder to
think of the experience of one fab list member who has had enough
trouble to just get their ITA class software working ... extrapolated to
the entire state. Brrrrrr
Regards Roland
On 21/08/07, Kevork Krozian <Kroset at novell1.fhc.vic.edu.au> wrote:
Dear Folks,
Apparently the first stage of clawing back control of school
IT infrastructures is the Ultranet project. This will centralise all
data as far as who, when and what in all IT activities in a school.
Updates will be pushed out as in edupass.
Stage 2 is to mandate server hardware and NOS's ( Network
Operating Systems ).
Stage 3 is to mandate desktop hardware and OS's.
I don't know about everyone else but I wouldn't feel too happy
if I was told I had to use one Network OS as opposed to another.
Having spoken to a number of technicians this is their opinion ,
so read in all the requisite disclaimers.
As an aside apparently a parents' group has requested that
edupass be shut down pending a full investigation of the health
implications of the radio waves used in the wireless system on the
health of their children , students and teachers.
If you don't believe me read it in the Age here
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/classroom-wireless-could-be-harmf
ul-parents/2007/08/16/1186857682342.html from last Friday.
Take Care
Kevork Krozian
IT Manager , Forest Hill College
k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au
Mobile: 0419 356 034
>>> Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> 20/08/2007 7:58 pm
>>>
I dread to say this, since I am usually The Cynical One
Lambasting The
Establishment (TCOLTE), but...
Dare I suggest the motives of DE&T are less Machiavellian than
you might
fear?
Could they even have genuinely altruistic motives?
Yes, I was a part of the Ultranet trial, but that is not the
reason I
say this.
For DE&T to actively counteract any motive force in a
pre-emptive and
self-satisfying manner is to assume they have a motive for doing
so...
and when have they shown any signs of oppressing Moodlish
installations
in schools?
Could it be that they are in fact trying to satisfy a need in
schools
that some pioneers have already explored with Moodling, or
equivalent?
I'm not getting paid for this, but I'm holding off pre-emptive
criticism
until I see the beast that's provided for me to ride.
Etc
Mark
Stephen Digby wrote:
> Yes.
> The current review of government school intranets is the first
step in
> the claw back of control of school IT.
> They are starting with requiring schools to document their
networks and
> redesign them under a single blueprint.
> Under the guise of security they will then shut down
"unsupported"
> external access tools like moodle.
> To justify the ridiculous expenditure on UltraNet, they will
require all
> schools to use it, thus making maintenance of other tools a
costly
> duplication rather than an alternative.
> Any deficiencies in the system will be met with either denial
or more
> wasted investment....
>
> Hear this before ?
>
> Heard of "CASES" ?
>
> ====================================================
> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
> mailto: admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au
<mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au>
> Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
> <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/>
> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617 Mb: 0431-701-028
> ====================================================
> Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is
a cruel
> libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans
> themselves. Albert Einstein
>
>
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> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
Grimshaw
> *Sent:* Monday, 20 August 2007 3:27 PM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
>
> Am i silly to assume that we will be able run our moodels as
well as the
> ultranet? - i cant think of any reason why we couldn't
>
> andrew grimshaw
> colac college
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Roland Gesthuizen <mailto: rgesthuizen at gmail.com
<mailto:rgesthuizen at gmail.com> >
> *Newsgroups:* local.it.itapps
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> <mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au >
> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2007 1:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
>
> Hmm, they didn't answer the $M60 question asked.
>
> Oddly enough, they invited Laurie to download the tender.
Cute :-)
>
> It would be an interesting to post a tender response.
>
> A survey is nice, but I wonder at the depth and level of
> consultation with the subject associations and
professional groups
> already doing cool activities with tools such as Moodle.
This is
> about teaching and learning, not just worksheets, software
and
> bandwidth. For now, we we can only speculate at the deeper
> educational pedagogy and research that underpins this
centralist
> model for networked service delivery. Anybody who can
predict the
> world beyond 2017 is a fool. I'm certainly not holding my
breath.
>
> It is really great to see ALL the different learning tools
we are
> all using and engaged by the exciting things that are
happening.
> Only last week, a new teacher was posted here a swag of
ideas from
> MS Sharepoint users. Thats cool! There is a very real
strength in
> our current diversity of tools, teaching styles and
innovative
> solutions, many in spite of poor funding or administrative
hurdles.
> The VITTA annual conference is a celebration of these
success
> stories by a community of practicing educators.
>
> Should we be concerned about an all embracing, centralist
model for
> networked service delivery for Victorian state schools? I
suppose we
> could be proactive and engage with the tender process ..
or keep on
> doing the fun stuff that engages and teaches our students
:-)
>
> Regards Roland
>
> On 20/08/07, *Laurie Savage* <sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
> <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au >> wrote:
>
> I emailed the Ultranet people, here is their reply.
>
> Laurie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Quach, Tam T [mailto:
quach.tam.t at edumail.vic.gov.au
> <mailto:quach.tam.t at edumail.vic.gov.au>] On Behalf Of
> Ultranet
> Sent: Monday, 20 August 2007 9:28 AM
> To: sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>
> Subject: RE: Ultranet
>
> Hi Laurie
>
> Thank you for your enquiry of 17 August 2007 regarding
the
> Ultranet.
>
> The Department of Education is aware that some schools
are using
> learning
> management systems such as Moodle. Please refer to
section
> 8.1.20 of the
> Request for Tender specifications below:
>
> 8.1.20 Learning Management Systems
> A few Victorian government schools have made
investments in
> third party
> learning management solutions. Solutions include (but
are not
> limited to)
> Edumate, My Classes, Scholaris, Studywiz, Moodle,
Blackboard and
> other
> custom developed intranet solutions. The solutions
are
> implemented within
> schools' curriculum network environment. DoE is in the
process
> of conducting
> an extensive survey of existing applications in use at
schools
> to assist in
> formulating the data conversion and change management
strategies.
>
> Learning management systems, however, are only one
component of the
> Ultranet. The other components include:
>
> . Strategy
> . Learning and Teaching Management
> . Administration
> . Collaboration
> . Student Information
> . Staff Information
> . School Information
> . Reporting
> . Productivity Tools
> . Architecture
> . Security
> . Standards
> . Change Management
> . Development and Implementation
> . Service Hosting, Operational Support and Maintenance
>
> The Ultranet Request for Tender was released publicly
on 1
> August 2007. You
> can the Ultranet RFT from the Victorian Government
Tenders web
> site at
> www.tenders.vic.gov.au <
http://www.tenders.vic.gov.au>. Search
> for 'Ultranet'. You will need to register on
> the site in order to download the document.
>
> I hope this answers your question.
>
> Regards
> Tam Quach
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laurie Savage [mailto: sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
<mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>
> <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>]
> Sent: Friday, 17 August 2007 3:35 PM
> To: Ultranet
> Subject: Ultranet
>
> We are already using a colloborative, intuitive
e-learning
> system that is
> under constant development and improvement. We use it
for VELS
> and VCE
> cources. It is free, open source and can be tailored
to local
> needs. It is
> written in PHP and uses a free backend database. It is
called
> Moodle. Does
> the state need to spend $M60 to implement an untried
alternative?
>
> Laurie Savage
> ICT/Comm. Tech. Teacher,
> Pascoe Vale Girls College
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