[Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
Laurie Savage
sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
Tue Aug 21 11:07:16 EST 2007
I'm inclined to agree with you there Mark. As an ex planning beaurocrat
myself I am very conscious that most decisions within a department are not
overtly cyncial. This is not to say that decisions may not be manipulated.
Laurie
-----Original Message-----
From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
Sent: Monday, 20 August 2007 7:59 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
I dread to say this, since I am usually The Cynical One Lambasting The
Establishment (TCOLTE), but...
Dare I suggest the motives of DE&T are less Machiavellian than you might
fear?
Could they even have genuinely altruistic motives?
Yes, I was a part of the Ultranet trial, but that is not the reason I say
this.
For DE&T to actively counteract any motive force in a pre-emptive and
self-satisfying manner is to assume they have a motive for doing so...
and when have they shown any signs of oppressing Moodlish installations in
schools?
Could it be that they are in fact trying to satisfy a need in schools that
some pioneers have already explored with Moodling, or equivalent?
I'm not getting paid for this, but I'm holding off pre-emptive criticism
until I see the beast that's provided for me to ride.
Etc
Mark
Stephen Digby wrote:
> Yes.
> The current review of government school intranets is the first step in
> the claw back of control of school IT.
> They are starting with requiring schools to document their networks
> and redesign them under a single blueprint.
> Under the guise of security they will then shut down "unsupported"
> external access tools like moodle.
> To justify the ridiculous expenditure on UltraNet, they will require
> all schools to use it, thus making maintenance of other tools a costly
> duplication rather than an alternative.
> Any deficiencies in the system will be met with either denial or more
> wasted investment....
>
> Hear this before ?
>
> Heard of "CASES" ?
>
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> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Grimshaw
> *Sent:* Monday, 20 August 2007 3:27 PM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
>
> Am i silly to assume that we will be able run our moodels as well as
> the ultranet? - i cant think of any reason why we couldn't
>
> andrew grimshaw
> colac college
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Roland Gesthuizen <mailto:rgesthuizen at gmail.com>
> *Newsgroups:* local.it.itapps
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> <mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2007 1:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
>
> Hmm, they didn't answer the $M60 question asked.
>
> Oddly enough, they invited Laurie to download the tender. Cute :-)
>
> It would be an interesting to post a tender response.
>
> A survey is nice, but I wonder at the depth and level of
> consultation with the subject associations and professional groups
> already doing cool activities with tools such as Moodle. This is
> about teaching and learning, not just worksheets, software and
> bandwidth. For now, we we can only speculate at the deeper
> educational pedagogy and research that underpins this centralist
> model for networked service delivery. Anybody who can predict the
> world beyond 2017 is a fool. I'm certainly not holding my breath.
>
> It is really great to see ALL the different learning tools we are
> all using and engaged by the exciting things that are happening.
> Only last week, a new teacher was posted here a swag of ideas from
> MS Sharepoint users. Thats cool! There is a very real strength in
> our current diversity of tools, teaching styles and innovative
> solutions, many in spite of poor funding or administrative hurdles.
> The VITTA annual conference is a celebration of these success
> stories by a community of practicing educators.
>
> Should we be concerned about an all embracing, centralist model for
> networked service delivery for Victorian state schools? I suppose we
> could be proactive and engage with the tender process .. or keep on
> doing the fun stuff that engages and teaches our students :-)
>
> Regards Roland
>
> On 20/08/07, *Laurie Savage* <sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
> <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
>
> I emailed the Ultranet people, here is their reply.
>
> Laurie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Quach, Tam T [mailto:quach.tam.t at edumail.vic.gov.au
> <mailto:quach.tam.t at edumail.vic.gov.au>] On Behalf Of
> Ultranet
> Sent: Monday, 20 August 2007 9:28 AM
> To: sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>
> Subject: RE: Ultranet
>
> Hi Laurie
>
> Thank you for your enquiry of 17 August 2007 regarding the
> Ultranet.
>
> The Department of Education is aware that some schools are using
> learning
> management systems such as Moodle. Please refer to section
> 8.1.20 of the
> Request for Tender specifications below:
>
> 8.1.20 Learning Management Systems
> A few Victorian government schools have made investments in
> third party
> learning management solutions. Solutions include (but are not
> limited to)
> Edumate, My Classes, Scholaris, Studywiz, Moodle, Blackboard and
> other
> custom developed intranet solutions. The solutions are
> implemented within
> schools' curriculum network environment. DoE is in the process
> of conducting
> an extensive survey of existing applications in use at schools
> to assist in
> formulating the data conversion and change management strategies.
>
> Learning management systems, however, are only one component of
the
> Ultranet. The other components include:
>
> . Strategy
> . Learning and Teaching Management
> . Administration
> . Collaboration
> . Student Information
> . Staff Information
> . School Information
> . Reporting
> . Productivity Tools
> . Architecture
> . Security
> . Standards
> . Change Management
> . Development and Implementation
> . Service Hosting, Operational Support and Maintenance
>
> The Ultranet Request for Tender was released publicly on 1
> August 2007. You
> can the Ultranet RFT from the Victorian Government Tenders web
> site at
> www.tenders.vic.gov.au <http://www.tenders.vic.gov.au>. Search
> for 'Ultranet'. You will need to register on
> the site in order to download the document.
>
> I hope this answers your question.
>
> Regards
> Tam Quach
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laurie Savage [mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
> <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>]
> Sent: Friday, 17 August 2007 3:35 PM
> To: Ultranet
> Subject: Ultranet
>
> We are already using a colloborative, intuitive e-learning
> system that is
> under constant development and improvement. We use it for VELS
> and VCE
> cources. It is free, open source and can be tailored to local
> needs. It is
> written in PHP and uses a free backend database. It is called
> Moodle. Does
> the state need to spend $M60 to implement an untried alternative?
>
> Laurie Savage
> ICT/Comm. Tech. Teacher,
> Pascoe Vale Girls College
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