[Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
WEIR Andrew
WEIR at thomascarr.vic.edu.au
Tue Aug 21 10:00:18 EST 2007
Kevork and others
To your aside I wonder did they conduct the interview with the parents
via mobile phone??
As a "ham" radio operator I have been bombarded with facts and figures
about EMR effects and it always seems to come back to the issue of Power
and proximity. How close are you to how much power? Considering most
wireless access points are measured in Mw (Milli watts) I really wonder
about it. However that's not to say there is not a risk involved as I
have seen too often when someone has hold of radio antenna when the
transmit button is hit on a 150Watt radio. Needless to say it tickles.
( However I am happy to be shown evidence to the contrary)
As to the ultranet issue I will agree with you on the perception that
the government is trying to take control back of it's schools. (not just
the It infrastructure) Whilst a centralised network with One NOS One set
of desktops and one OS has many Maintenance and logistical benefits I do
worry about the loss of creativity that this will cause.
What will happen to those teachers like Roland I believe who teach using
multiple OS in a VM situation?
I would also wonder who are they trying to please with this proposed
skynet sorry Ultranet? What is behind the change to one system?
Anyway I are going to go back to reading the rest of these emails again.
And as they say in the classics that's my 2 cents worth.
Thanks
Andrew
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-----Original Message-----
From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2007 9:24 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
Dear Folks,
Apparently the first stage of clawing back control of school IT
infrastructures is the Ultranet project. This will centralise all data
as far as who, when and what in all IT activities in a school. Updates
will be pushed out as in edupass.
Stage 2 is to mandate server hardware and NOS's ( Network Operating
Systems ).
Stage 3 is to mandate desktop hardware and OS's.
I don't know about everyone else but I wouldn't feel too happy if I was
told I had to use one Network OS as opposed to another.
Having spoken to a number of technicians this is their opinion , so
read in all the requisite disclaimers.
As an aside apparently a parents' group has requested that edupass be
shut down pending a full investigation of the health implications of the
radio waves used in the wireless system on the health of their children
, students and teachers.
If you don't believe me read it in the Age here
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/classroom-wireless-could-be-harmf
ul-parents/2007/08/16/1186857682342.html from last Friday.
Take Care
Kevork Krozian
IT Manager , Forest Hill College
k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au
Mobile: 0419 356 034
>>> Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> 20/08/2007 7:58 pm >>>
I dread to say this, since I am usually The Cynical One Lambasting The
Establishment (TCOLTE), but...
Dare I suggest the motives of DE&T are less Machiavellian than you might
fear?
Could they even have genuinely altruistic motives?
Yes, I was a part of the Ultranet trial, but that is not the reason I
say this.
For DE&T to actively counteract any motive force in a pre-emptive and
self-satisfying manner is to assume they have a motive for doing so...
and when have they shown any signs of oppressing Moodlish installations
in schools?
Could it be that they are in fact trying to satisfy a need in schools
that some pioneers have already explored with Moodling, or equivalent?
I'm not getting paid for this, but I'm holding off pre-emptive criticism
until I see the beast that's provided for me to ride.
Etc
Mark
Stephen Digby wrote:
> Yes.
> The current review of government school intranets is the first step in
> the claw back of control of school IT.
> They are starting with requiring schools to document their networks
> and redesign them under a single blueprint.
> Under the guise of security they will then shut down "unsupported"
> external access tools like moodle.
> To justify the ridiculous expenditure on UltraNet, they will require
> all schools to use it, thus making maintenance of other tools a costly
> duplication rather than an alternative.
> Any deficiencies in the system will be met with either denial or more
> wasted investment....
>
> Hear this before ?
>
> Heard of "CASES" ?
>
> ====================================================
> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
> mailto: admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au <mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au>
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> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Grimshaw
> *Sent:* Monday, 20 August 2007 3:27 PM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
>
> Am i silly to assume that we will be able run our moodels as well as
> the ultranet? - i cant think of any reason why we couldn't
>
> andrew grimshaw
> colac college
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Roland Gesthuizen <mailto:rgesthuizen at gmail.com>
> *Newsgroups:* local.it.itapps
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> <mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2007 1:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
>
> Hmm, they didn't answer the $M60 question asked.
>
> Oddly enough, they invited Laurie to download the tender. Cute :-)
>
> It would be an interesting to post a tender response.
>
> A survey is nice, but I wonder at the depth and level of
> consultation with the subject associations and professional groups
> already doing cool activities with tools such as Moodle. This is
> about teaching and learning, not just worksheets, software and
> bandwidth. For now, we we can only speculate at the deeper
> educational pedagogy and research that underpins this centralist
> model for networked service delivery. Anybody who can predict the
> world beyond 2017 is a fool. I'm certainly not holding my breath.
>
> It is really great to see ALL the different learning tools we are
> all using and engaged by the exciting things that are happening.
> Only last week, a new teacher was posted here a swag of ideas from
> MS Sharepoint users. Thats cool! There is a very real strength in
> our current diversity of tools, teaching styles and innovative
> solutions, many in spite of poor funding or administrative
hurdles.
> The VITTA annual conference is a celebration of these success
> stories by a community of practicing educators.
>
> Should we be concerned about an all embracing, centralist model
for
> networked service delivery for Victorian state schools? I suppose
we
> could be proactive and engage with the tender process .. or keep
on
> doing the fun stuff that engages and teaches our students :-)
>
> Regards Roland
>
> On 20/08/07, *Laurie Savage* <sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
> <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
>
> I emailed the Ultranet people, here is their reply.
>
> Laurie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Quach, Tam T [mailto:quach.tam.t at edumail.vic.gov.au
> <mailto:quach.tam.t at edumail.vic.gov.au>] On Behalf Of
> Ultranet
> Sent: Monday, 20 August 2007 9:28 AM
> To: sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>
> Subject: RE: Ultranet
>
> Hi Laurie
>
> Thank you for your enquiry of 17 August 2007 regarding the
> Ultranet.
>
> The Department of Education is aware that some schools are
using
> learning
> management systems such as Moodle. Please refer to section
> 8.1.20 of the
> Request for Tender specifications below:
>
> 8.1.20 Learning Management Systems
> A few Victorian government schools have made investments in
> third party
> learning management solutions. Solutions include (but are not
> limited to)
> Edumate, My Classes, Scholaris, Studywiz, Moodle, Blackboard
and
> other
> custom developed intranet solutions. The solutions are
> implemented within
> schools' curriculum network environment. DoE is in the process
> of conducting
> an extensive survey of existing applications in use at schools
> to assist in
> formulating the data conversion and change management
strategies.
>
> Learning management systems, however, are only one component
of the
> Ultranet. The other components include:
>
> . Strategy
> . Learning and Teaching Management
> . Administration
> . Collaboration
> . Student Information
> . Staff Information
> . School Information
> . Reporting
> . Productivity Tools
> . Architecture
> . Security
> . Standards
> . Change Management
> . Development and Implementation
> . Service Hosting, Operational Support and Maintenance
>
> The Ultranet Request for Tender was released publicly on 1
> August 2007. You
> can the Ultranet RFT from the Victorian Government Tenders web
> site at
> www.tenders.vic.gov.au <http://www.tenders.vic.gov.au>.
Search
> for 'Ultranet'. You will need to register on
> the site in order to download the document.
>
> I hope this answers your question.
>
> Regards
> Tam Quach
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laurie Savage [mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
> <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>]
> Sent: Friday, 17 August 2007 3:35 PM
> To: Ultranet
> Subject: Ultranet
>
> We are already using a colloborative, intuitive e-learning
> system that is
> under constant development and improvement. We use it for VELS
> and VCE
> cources. It is free, open source and can be tailored to local
> needs. It is
> written in PHP and uses a free backend database. It is called
> Moodle. Does
> the state need to spend $M60 to implement an untried
alternative?
>
> Laurie Savage
> ICT/Comm. Tech. Teacher,
> Pascoe Vale Girls College
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