[Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
Cameron Bell
bell.cameron.p at edumail.vic.gov.au
Tue Aug 21 07:18:54 EST 2007
Like the post Roland, thanks for the link.
I'd just like to mention that I was told Ultranet *must* created by a
consortium as no one company has all the required expertise to create
all the required bits and pieces. However, it appears that some
consortiums have a better chance than others, due to participation in a
pilot program. Bit like teaching jobs - I bet some companies are saying
"Is this a /real/ tender?"
Like Mark, I don't want to bag what I haven't seen.
Cheers
Cameron
PS Are you getting an UltraLoo?
Roland Gesthuizen wrote:
> G'day and thanks Mark,
>
> as it is a public tender process I can only suppose that we are
> allowed to crack our whips and shout at the bull threatening to jump
> out of its horse pen and into my classroom. You are right of course,
> we don't know too much about UltaNet short of it probably being a very
> ambitious, expensive, multi-functional space shuttle / magic school
> bus that has been assembled by tender to a single major corporation.
>
> 10 years ago, hotdog and notepad were cool for web editing. Oddly
> enough, back then an argument could have been constructed to pour
> money into building a government owned HTML editor, buying out
> "hotdog" type solution or later a web server. It is now even harder to
> predict the ICT outcomes or pressure points for the next 10 years.
> There is a detailed analysis of projected technological developments
> and their social, political and economic implications in this report
> about a projected vision of the Web in the year 2020. Many pages and
> worth reading the conclusions.
> http://www.sirc.org/publik/web2020.shtml
>
> When DE&T are talking about these huge sums of money per tax payer,
> they absolutely must get it right.
>
> There is no excuse for not running trials like the one at your school,
> soliciting feedback from interest groups, undertaking some solid
> research before forging ahead with plans. Sadly, obsolescence is
> something we come to expect from government IT initiatives. Anything
> that ignores the good work by pioneers, anything less than open
> decisions based on public evidence and International open standards is
> adding fuel to the fires of suspicion and mistrust.
>
> When we publicly deliberate and reflect upon all our different views,
> it probably also prevent us from being accidentally sat upon.
>
> Regards Roland
>
> PS: After a decade of writing grant after grant application, last year
> we finally secured one for an upgrade to our main toilet block. Ow
> joy! :-)
>
> On 20/08/07, *Mark Kelly* <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
> <mailto:kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
>
> I dread to say this, since I am usually The Cynical One Lambasting The
> Establishment (TCOLTE), but...
>
> Dare I suggest the motives of DE&T are less Machiavellian than you
> might
> fear?
>
> Could they even have genuinely altruistic motives?
>
> Yes, I was a part of the Ultranet trial, but that is not the reason I
> say this.
>
> For DE&T to actively counteract any motive force in a pre-emptive and
> self-satisfying manner is to assume they have a motive for doing
> so...
> and when have they shown any signs of oppressing Moodlish
> installations
> in schools?
>
> Could it be that they are in fact trying to satisfy a need in schools
> that some pioneers have already explored with Moodling, or
> equivalent?
>
> I'm not getting paid for this, but I'm holding off pre-emptive
> criticism
> until I see the beast that's provided for me to ride.
>
> Etc
>
> Mark
>
> Stephen Digby wrote:
> > Yes.
> > The current review of government school intranets is the first
> step in
> > the claw back of control of school IT.
> > They are starting with requiring schools to document their
> networks and
> > redesign them under a single blueprint.
> > Under the guise of security they will then shut down "unsupported"
> > external access tools like moodle.
> > To justify the ridiculous expenditure on UltraNet, they will
> require all
> > schools to use it, thus making maintenance of other tools a costly
> > duplication rather than an alternative.
> > Any deficiencies in the system will be met with either denial or
> more
> > wasted investment....
> >
> > Hear this before ?
> >
> > Heard of "CASES" ?
> >
> > ====================================================
> > Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
> > mailto: admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au
> <mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au>
> <mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au <mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au> >
> > Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
> <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au>
> > <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/>
> > Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617 Mb: 0431-701-028
> > ====================================================
> > Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a
> cruel
> > libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans
> > themselves. Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
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> > [mailto: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
> <mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au>] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Grimshaw
> > *Sent:* Monday, 20 August 2007 3:27 PM
> > *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> > *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
> >
> > Am i silly to assume that we will be able run our moodels as
> well as the
> > ultranet? - i cant think of any reason why we couldn't
> >
> > andrew grimshaw
> > colac college
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Roland Gesthuizen <mailto:rgesthuizen at gmail.com
> <mailto:rgesthuizen at gmail.com>>
> > *Newsgroups:* local.it.itapps
> > *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> > <mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au <mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au>>
> > *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2007 1:37 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
> >
> > Hmm, they didn't answer the $M60 question asked.
> >
> > Oddly enough, they invited Laurie to download the tender.
> Cute :-)
> >
> > It would be an interesting to post a tender response.
> >
> > A survey is nice, but I wonder at the depth and level of
> > consultation with the subject associations and professional
> groups
> > already doing cool activities with tools such as Moodle. This is
> > about teaching and learning, not just worksheets, software and
> > bandwidth. For now, we we can only speculate at the deeper
> > educational pedagogy and research that underpins this centralist
> > model for networked service delivery. Anybody who can
> predict the
> > world beyond 2017 is a fool. I'm certainly not holding my
> breath.
> >
> > It is really great to see ALL the different learning tools
> we are
> > all using and engaged by the exciting things that are
> happening.
> > Only last week, a new teacher was posted here a swag of
> ideas from
> > MS Sharepoint users. Thats cool! There is a very real
> strength in
> > our current diversity of tools, teaching styles and innovative
> > solutions, many in spite of poor funding or administrative
> hurdles.
> > The VITTA annual conference is a celebration of these success
> > stories by a community of practicing educators.
> >
> > Should we be concerned about an all embracing, centralist
> model for
> > networked service delivery for Victorian state schools? I
> suppose we
> > could be proactive and engage with the tender process .. or
> keep on
> > doing the fun stuff that engages and teaches our students :-)
> >
> > Regards Roland
> >
> > On 20/08/07, *Laurie Savage* <sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
> <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>
> > <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>>>
> wrote:
> >
> > I emailed the Ultranet people, here is their reply.
> >
> > Laurie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Quach, Tam T
> [mailto:quach.tam.t at edumail.vic.gov.au
> <mailto:quach.tam.t at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> > <mailto:quach.tam.t at edumail.vic.gov.au
> <mailto:quach.tam.t at edumail.vic.gov.au>>] On Behalf Of
> > Ultranet
> > Sent: Monday, 20 August 2007 9:28 AM
> > To: sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>
> <mailto: sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>>
> > Subject: RE: Ultranet
> >
> > Hi Laurie
> >
> > Thank you for your enquiry of 17 August 2007 regarding the
> > Ultranet.
> >
> > The Department of Education is aware that some schools
> are using
> > learning
> > management systems such as Moodle. Please refer to section
> > 8.1.20 of the
> > Request for Tender specifications below:
> >
> > 8.1.20 Learning Management Systems
> > A few Victorian government schools have made investments in
> > third party
> > learning management solutions. Solutions include (but
> are not
> > limited to)
> > Edumate, My Classes, Scholaris, Studywiz, Moodle,
> Blackboard and
> > other
> > custom developed intranet solutions. The solutions are
> > implemented within
> > schools' curriculum network environment. DoE is in the
> process
> > of conducting
> > an extensive survey of existing applications in use at
> schools
> > to assist in
> > formulating the data conversion and change management
> strategies.
> >
> > Learning management systems, however, are only one
> component of the
> > Ultranet. The other components include:
> >
> > . Strategy
> > . Learning and Teaching Management
> > . Administration
> > . Collaboration
> > . Student Information
> > . Staff Information
> > . School Information
> > . Reporting
> > . Productivity Tools
> > . Architecture
> > . Security
> > . Standards
> > . Change Management
> > . Development and Implementation
> > . Service Hosting, Operational Support and Maintenance
> >
> > The Ultranet Request for Tender was released publicly on 1
> > August 2007. You
> > can the Ultranet RFT from the Victorian Government
> Tenders web
> > site at
> > www.tenders.vic.gov.au <http://www.tenders.vic.gov.au> <
> http://www.tenders.vic.gov.au>. Search
> > for 'Ultranet'. You will need to register on
> > the site in order to download the document.
> >
> > I hope this answers your question.
> >
> > Regards
> > Tam Quach
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Laurie Savage [mailto: sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
> <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>
> > <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>>]
> > Sent: Friday, 17 August 2007 3:35 PM
> > To: Ultranet
> > Subject: Ultranet
> >
> > We are already using a colloborative, intuitive e-learning
> > system that is
> > under constant development and improvement. We use it
> for VELS
> > and VCE
> > cources. It is free, open source and can be tailored to
> local
> > needs. It is
> > written in PHP and uses a free backend database. It is
> called
> > Moodle. Does
> > the state need to spend $M60 to implement an untried
> alternative?
> >
> > Laurie Savage
> > ICT/Comm. Tech. Teacher,
> > Pascoe Vale Girls College
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