[Year 12 IT Apps] OT: Computer rollover

[Russell Edwards]

The below is fair enough, but getting away from user-pays and back to  
internet costs overall-- what should schools be prepared to pay for  
educational internet use?   As I started earlier, it seems to me that  
schools are starting to baulk at prices that are a tenth of true the  
value of the internet as a resource relative to other expensive  
resources.

Russell


On 09/08/2007, at 9:00 AM, Cameron Bell wrote:
>> The rationale for internet/ printing charges is also that the  
>> purposes of use are not necessarily curriculum
>> related and thus to allow open slather is to allow some students  
>> to use scarce resources for private use
>> rather than educational use.
>> There is even an equity argument to be made for educational use.
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>> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps- 
>> bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Cameron Bell
>> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:51 PM
>> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] OT: Computer rollover
>>
>> Most schools do actually levy charges for other "addons",  
>> particularly for practical / elective subjects, so
>> user-pays isn't limited to Internet access.
>> Many of us do now view net access as an essential and  
>> indispensable part of available educational resources,
>> however this isn't always appreciated by those who haven't taught  
>> in the net age and now administer. They
>> often only see it as a cost.
>> I / we decided not to charge students for it when it became  
>> obvious that charging for access was hampering the
>> delivery of the curriculum.
>> Cameron
>>
>>
>> Russell Edwards wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/08/2007, at 5:51 PM, Brendyn Hancock wrote:
>>>
>>>> My experience has been that recovering $$$ from student internet  
>>>> users has only ever been token. Its more that you are teaching  
>>>> them responsible use of costly resources than it is a  
>>>> significant income.
>>>>
>>> I can see the reasoning behind the above... but on the other hand  
>>> I don't see why schools are so fussed about their internet bills,  
>>> nor why they advocate a user-pays system for the internet but  
>>> nothing else. The internet is more useful than the library in  
>>> most subjects other than, perhaps, English. How much does the  
>>> library cost to run per year? And, how much does IT support cost  
>>> per year? People seem to stress out about internet bills < $10k/ 
>>> year. I would have thought in consideration of the amount spent  
>>> on library and IT staff, the Internet would be worth having even  
>>> at $100k/year. (And no, the Education Channel doesn't count as  
>>> "the Internet" in my view.) When you consider that the staffing  
>>> costs overall for a school of 1000 pupils must be in the millions  
>>> of dollars per year, 10k is peanuts!!
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> Russell
>>> Whittlesea SC
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