[Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
Charmaine Taylor
tigeroz at alphalink.com.au
Tue Sep 5 20:00:49 EST 2006
It's not a lost art. My son is doing a heavy truck driving course in
trucks with non-synchro gearbox. Apparently, there are still some heavy
industry vehicles still out there where it's handy.
Another one, I was teaching Media today and asked the students how they
used TV. Do they watch particular programs to learn or be entertained or
just to veg out. It just to veg it wouldn't matter what they watched; it
could be the test pattern. Of course, none of them knew what that was?!
Time I retired!
Charmaine Taylor
Sunbury Downs College
Mark Scott wrote:
>Of course "double declutching" but who called it that?
>
>What makes a word correct, the English dictionary or common usage?
>
>Mark Scott - Wishing I was semi retired
>Luther College
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>On Behalf Of Robert Hind
>Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:57 PM
>To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>Teachers'MailingList
>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>
>Not only the Philistines but also the pedants - can you hear me coming ?
>
>I assume you meant to say "double declutching"
>
>A lost art of course just like sabre tooth tiger hunting !
>
>Robert Hind - Semi retired
>Ashwood and Traralgon
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Scott" <msc at staff.luther.vic.edu.au>
>To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>Teachers'MailingList" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:23 PM
>Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>
>
>
>
>>Not many can use an abacus anymore.
>>
>>I had too explain to my son what "double clutching" was the other day,
>>he just smiled at me like I was mad.
>>
>>...and don't get me started on text messages on phones, soon the kids
>>
>>
>of
>
>
>>today will lose the art of vocalization.
>>
>>and...
>>
>>and...
>>
>>The philistines are out in force must be nearing the end of term.
>>
>>Mark Scott
>>Luther College
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>On Behalf Of Laurie Savage
>>Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:07 PM
>>To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>Teachers'Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>
>>And now we have a generation of people who cannot do the simplest
>>calculation in their head.
>>
>>Laurie
>>
>>Mark Scott wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Royce
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In the words of the immortal Billy S
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>*"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;*
>>>
>>>*Or close the wall up with our English dead.*
>>>
>>>*In peace there's nothing so becomes a man*
>>>
>>>*As modest stillness and humility;*
>>>
>>>*But when the blast of war blows in our ears,*
>>>
>>>*Then imitate the action of the tiger:*
>>>
>>>*Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood."*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>To be short, you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>They said the same thing about calculators back in the early
>>>
>>>
>>seventies.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Cordially yours
>>>
>>>Mark Scott
>>>
>>>Luther College
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>>
>>>
>[mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>
>
>>>On Behalf Of Royce Williams
>>>Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 2:51 PM
>>>To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>>Teachers'MailingList
>>>Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Where to start
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The theory that every student should own and bring to class a laptop
>>>
>>>
>>is
>>
>>
>>>of course one of the biggest educationalist crap shoots ever. With
>>>changes in the Internet / increased home ownership of computers
>>>/increased home broadband /USB memory down to 59$ per gig /pod
>>>
>>>
>>casting/
>>
>>
>>>VCE and drafting ... Remember that ... I think student carried
>>>
>>>
>>lippies
>>
>>
>>>should be well dead by now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>However Pods ?COWs individual laptops taken into classes is very
>>>
>>>
>>valid.
>>
>>
>>>Particularly in science .. Which not only has specialist rooms but
>>>
>>>
>>have
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>>>a huge amount of simulation and other programs that can be used.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>We have for student use here about 150 laptops that can be borrowed
>>>
>>>
>by
>
>
>>>classes and individually. We don't use trolleys here due to physical
>>>layout of school. But bringing technology to students is better than
>>>making them lockstep to a "special" room .. Not withstanding that we
>>>have specialist computer areas (music/multimedia/art) and two full
>>>
>>>
>>size
>>
>>
>>>computer rooms for when they are appropriate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Laptops do cost more than equivalent desktops because of more
>>>
>>>
>>expensive
>>
>>
>>>PSU's / batteries and LCD screens .. Tho the difference is rapidly
>>>falling. However you also need a better constructed laptop to survive
>>>the rigours of school life than you do a desk top. So hopping to get
>>>several years out of a sub $1000 laptop is a forlorn hope.
>>>
>>>E.G. you might run DELL or Acer in your labs but you need the IBM or
>>>
>>>
>>HP
>>
>>
>>>in your laptops.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Here students are not allowed in Computer rooms without supervision
>>>
>>>
>>(in
>>
>>
>>>theory) .. In Middle school it leads off the Library .. No problems
>>>
>>>
>..
>
>
>>>But senior school is really a problem with damage .. I need to put a
>>>teacher on a couch in there ... Rofl.
>>>
>>>However there are 12 computers in the senior Library for student use
>>>
>>>
>>as
>>
>>
>>>well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Royce Williams
>>>
>>>Manager Information Technology
>>>
>>>Billanook College
>>>
>>>197-199 Cardigan Rd
>>>
>>>Mooroolbark 3138
>>>
>>>Victoria Australia
>>>
>>>Tel: 61-3-9725 5388; Fax: 61-3-9725 8556
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>>
>>>
>[mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>
>
>>>On Behalf Of Cameron
>>>
>>>Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 10:22 AM
>>>
>>>To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>>Teachers'Mailing List
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Apologies if this appears more than once - forgot to change identity.
>>>
>>>
>>:(
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Let me say that Laptop computers are not a fad. Once seen as a way
>>>
>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>>private schools could "show off", they are now very mainstream in
>>>
>>>
>>schools,
>>
>>
>>>business and homes. Laptops are a superb solution to mobility and
>>>
>>>
>>"where
>>
>>
>>>are
>>>
>>>we going to fit in some more computers?". They have a role to play
>>>
>>>
>>where
>>
>>
>>>appropriate.
>>>
>>>I would give my right arm for the ability of my Science classes to be
>>>able to
>>>
>>>wheel in a set of notebooks to record prac results and create reports
>>>
>>>
>>in
>>
>>
>>>real
>>>
>>>time *in the lab*.
>>>
>>>Each of our Yr 7 classes have their own trolley of 12 notebooks (1
>>>between 2
>>>
>>>model) that they take to each class. They are responsible for their
>>>
>>>
>>own
>>
>>
>>>trolley which has helped reduce damage as they have a sense of
>>>ownership. The notebooks have helped many teachers transform the way
>>>they teach. Having
>>>
>>>immediate access to the technology without need to organise
>>>
>>>
>room-swaps
>
>
>>or
>>
>>
>>>book computer rooms allows teachers to teach and students to learn
>>>
>>>
>"on
>
>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>fly" if needed. You don't need to plan to have "a computer lesson",
>>>
>>>
>>you
>>
>>
>>>just
>>>
>>>integrate the ICT as needed. The change we have seen in just 8 months
>>>
>>>
>>is
>>
>>
>>>astounding.
>>>
>>>As mentioned the "bang for your buck" works out well in favour of
>>>
>>>
>>desktops,
>>
>>
>>>but only if you think in terms of hardware costs. I would place a
>>>
>>>
>>great
>>
>>
>>>deal
>>>
>>>more weight on "educational bang for your buck" when considering
>>>
>>>
>>between
>>
>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>two and notebooks rapidly catch or even surpass desktops when that is
>>>
>>>factored in.
>>>
>>>Given the amount of use the laptops have had, they are holding up
>>>remarkably
>>>
>>>well. We have had one badly damaged case that will cost in the region
>>>
>>>
>>of
>>
>>
>>>$800
>>>
>>>to repair. OUCH! - may as well buy a new one. We have had a bit of
>>>
>>>
>>trouble
>>
>>
>>>with some keys being removed, but when you think of the amount of
>>>
>>>
>time
>
>
>>they
>>
>>
>>>are used for, it isn't too bad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>We are probably looking at a bit of both. We are having trouble
>>>
>>>
>>deciding
>>
>>
>>>where
>>>
>>>we can store the trolleys securely and at the same time, where we can
>>>fit in
>>>
>>>more desktops. It is great to have the technology out of sight until
>>>
>>>
>>you
>>
>>
>>>need
>>>
>>>it and then you can place it on the same desks without the need for
>>>
>>>additional furniture or desks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>If it is foreseen that students will one day have their own personal
>>>computers
>>>
>>>in whatever form they may take, we may as well start now and develop
>>>teaching
>>>
>>>methods and courses that use the current mobile technology. I believe
>>>
>>>
>>a
>>
>>
>>>graduated development of teaching pedagogy will be more useful than
>>>
>>>
>>waiting
>>
>>
>>>and trying to shift over to a new style once it has been deemed that
>>>
>>>
>>enough
>>
>>
>>>students have access to make it worthwhile.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>
>>>Cameron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thursday 31 August 2006 20:12, Stephen Digby wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Just got a single notebook trolley with 10 ACERs much against my
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> recomendation. Hope that the machines last..... In the past, I
>>>>
>>>>
>have
>
>
>>>> had bad experience with notebooks in classrooms - more than twice
>>>>
>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>> price (esp. including more frequent amd much more expensive
>>>>
>>>>
>>repairs);
>>
>>
>>>> last less than half service life (include downtime); less classroom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> efficiency for teacher (get trolley, supervise handout, supervise
>>>>
>>>>
>>use,
>>
>>
>>>> wait till students start them up, supercvise return to trolley c
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> correct connections to chargers; return trolley and plug in)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Think that this is a very temporary fad until students all have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "personal" computers as seamlessly as they have phones.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>=====================================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>=
>
>
>>=====
>>
>>
>>>>= ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555
>>>>
>>>>
>8617
>
>
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>
>>===
>>
>>
>>>>= ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An empty stomach is not a good political advisor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Albert Einstein
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>[mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>
>>
>>>> On Behalf Of Robert Minato
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: 31 August 2006 03:37 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Teachers'Mailing List
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our school does not let students into computer rooms unless under
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> teacher supervision. We have three computer classrooms and another
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> computer room attached to the library. Students are allowed to use
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> library computers whenever library is open.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have recently gone down the path of setting up three cows
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (computers on wheels). The library staff take bookings for these
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> laptop trolleys; nine laptops per trolley. Teachers book the cows
>>>>
>>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>> can use them in any classroom. The advantage I have found with the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cows is that you can sometimes just book one cow as not all
>>>>
>>>>
>students
>
>
>>>> need a computer at the same time; ie others are doing prac tasks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>On Thursday 31 August 2006 20:12, Stephen Digby wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Just got a single notebook trolley with 10 ACERs much against my
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> recomendation. Hope that the machines last..... In the past, I
>>>>
>>>>
>have
>
>
>>>> had bad experience with notebooks in classrooms - more than twice
>>>>
>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>> price (esp. including more frequent amd much more expensive
>>>>
>>>>
>>repairs);
>>
>>
>>>> last less than half service life (include downtime); less classroom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> efficiency for teacher (get trolley, supervise handout, supervise
>>>>
>>>>
>>use,
>>
>>
>>>> wait till students start them up, supercvise return to trolley c
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> correct connections to chargers; return trolley and plug in)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Think that this is a very temporary fad until students all have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "personal" computers as seamlessly as they have phones.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>=====================================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>=
>
>
>>=====
>>
>>
>>>>= ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555
>>>>
>>>>
>8617
>
>
>========================================================================
>
>
>>===
>>
>>
>>>>= ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An empty stomach is not a good political advisor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Albert Einstein
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>[mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>
>>
>>>> On Behalf Of Robert Minato
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: 31 August 2006 03:37 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Teachers'Mailing List
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our school does not let students into computer rooms unless under
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> teacher supervision. We have three computer classrooms and another
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> computer room attached to the library. Students are allowed to use
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> library computers whenever library is open.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have recently gone down the path of setting up three cows
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (computers on wheels). The library staff take bookings for these
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> laptop trolleys; nine laptops per trolley. Teachers book the cows
>>>>
>>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>> can use them in any classroom. The advantage I have found with the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cows is that you can sometimes just book one cow as not all
>>>>
>>>>
>students
>
>
>>>> need a computer at the same time; ie others are doing prac tasks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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