[Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
Laurie Savage
sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
Tue Sep 5 13:18:44 EST 2006
Some lost arts are best left lost! Now where's my buggy whip assembly kit?
Laurie
Robert Hind wrote:
> Not only the Philistines but also the pedants - can you hear me coming ?
>
> I assume you meant to say "double declutching"
>
> A lost art of course just like sabre tooth tiger hunting !
>
> Robert Hind - Semi retired
> Ashwood and Traralgon
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Scott"
> <msc at staff.luther.vic.edu.au>
> To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'MailingList" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>
>
>> Not many can use an abacus anymore.
>>
>> I had too explain to my son what "double clutching" was the other day,
>> he just smiled at me like I was mad.
>>
>> ...and don't get me started on text messages on phones, soon the kids of
>> today will lose the art of vocalization.
>>
>> and...
>>
>> and...
>>
>> The philistines are out in force must be nearing the end of term.
>>
>> Mark Scott
>> Luther College
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>> On Behalf Of Laurie Savage
>> Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:07 PM
>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>> Teachers'Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>
>> And now we have a generation of people who cannot do the simplest
>> calculation in their head.
>>
>> Laurie
>>
>> Mark Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Royce
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the words of the immortal Billy S
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;*
>>>
>>> *Or close the wall up with our English dead.*
>>>
>>> *In peace there's nothing so becomes a man*
>>>
>>> *As modest stillness and humility;*
>>>
>>> *But when the blast of war blows in our ears,*
>>>
>>> *Then imitate the action of the tiger:*
>>>
>>> *Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood."*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To be short, you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They said the same thing about calculators back in the early
>> seventies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cordially yours
>>>
>>> Mark Scott
>>>
>>> Luther College
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>
>>> On Behalf Of Royce Williams
>>> Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 2:51 PM
>>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>> Teachers'MailingList
>>> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Where to start
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The theory that every student should own and bring to class a laptop
>> is
>>> of course one of the biggest educationalist crap shoots ever. With
>>> changes in the Internet / increased home ownership of computers
>>> /increased home broadband /USB memory down to 59$ per gig /pod
>> casting/
>>> VCE and drafting ... Remember that ... I think student carried
>> lippies
>>> should be well dead by now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However Pods ?COWs individual laptops taken into classes is very
>> valid.
>>>
>>> Particularly in science .. Which not only has specialist rooms but
>> have
>>> a huge amount of simulation and other programs that can be used.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have for student use here about 150 laptops that can be borrowed by
>>
>>> classes and individually. We don't use trolleys here due to physical
>>> layout of school. But bringing technology to students is better than
>>> making them lockstep to a "special" room .. Not withstanding that we
>>> have specialist computer areas (music/multimedia/art) and two full
>> size
>>> computer rooms for when they are appropriate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Laptops do cost more than equivalent desktops because of more
>> expensive
>>> PSU's / batteries and LCD screens .. Tho the difference is rapidly
>>> falling. However you also need a better constructed laptop to survive
>>> the rigours of school life than you do a desk top. So hopping to get
>>> several years out of a sub $1000 laptop is a forlorn hope.
>>>
>>> E.G. you might run DELL or Acer in your labs but you need the IBM or
>> HP
>>> in your laptops.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here students are not allowed in Computer rooms without supervision
>> (in
>>> theory) .. In Middle school it leads off the Library .. No problems ..
>>
>>> But senior school is really a problem with damage .. I need to put a
>>> teacher on a couch in there ... Rofl.
>>>
>>> However there are 12 computers in the senior Library for student use
>> as
>>> well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Royce Williams
>>>
>>> Manager Information Technology
>>>
>>> Billanook College
>>>
>>> 197-199 Cardigan Rd
>>>
>>> Mooroolbark 3138
>>>
>>> Victoria Australia
>>>
>>> Tel: 61-3-9725 5388; Fax: 61-3-9725 8556
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>
>>> On Behalf Of Cameron
>>>
>>> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 10:22 AM
>>>
>>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>> Teachers'Mailing List
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Apologies if this appears more than once - forgot to change identity.
>> :(
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let me say that Laptop computers are not a fad. Once seen as a way
>> that
>>>
>>> private schools could "show off", they are now very mainstream in
>> schools,
>>>
>>> business and homes. Laptops are a superb solution to mobility and
>> "where
>>> are
>>>
>>> we going to fit in some more computers?". They have a role to play
>> where
>>>
>>> appropriate.
>>>
>>> I would give my right arm for the ability of my Science classes to be
>>> able to
>>>
>>> wheel in a set of notebooks to record prac results and create reports
>> in
>>> real
>>>
>>> time *in the lab*.
>>>
>>> Each of our Yr 7 classes have their own trolley of 12 notebooks (1
>>> between 2
>>>
>>> model) that they take to each class. They are responsible for their
>> own
>>>
>>> trolley which has helped reduce damage as they have a sense of
>>> ownership. The notebooks have helped many teachers transform the way
>>> they teach. Having
>>>
>>> immediate access to the technology without need to organise room-swaps
>> or
>>>
>>> book computer rooms allows teachers to teach and students to learn "on
>> the
>>>
>>> fly" if needed. You don't need to plan to have "a computer lesson",
>> you
>>> just
>>>
>>> integrate the ICT as needed. The change we have seen in just 8 months
>> is
>>>
>>> astounding.
>>>
>>> As mentioned the "bang for your buck" works out well in favour of
>> desktops,
>>>
>>> but only if you think in terms of hardware costs. I would place a
>> great
>>> deal
>>>
>>> more weight on "educational bang for your buck" when considering
>> between
>>> the
>>>
>>> two and notebooks rapidly catch or even surpass desktops when that is
>>>
>>> factored in.
>>>
>>> Given the amount of use the laptops have had, they are holding up
>>> remarkably
>>>
>>> well. We have had one badly damaged case that will cost in the region
>> of
>>> $800
>>>
>>> to repair. OUCH! - may as well buy a new one. We have had a bit of
>> trouble
>>>
>>> with some keys being removed, but when you think of the amount of time
>> they
>>>
>>> are used for, it isn't too bad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are probably looking at a bit of both. We are having trouble
>> deciding
>>> where
>>>
>>> we can store the trolleys securely and at the same time, where we can
>>> fit in
>>>
>>> more desktops. It is great to have the technology out of sight until
>> you
>>> need
>>>
>>> it and then you can place it on the same desks without the need for
>>>
>>> additional furniture or desks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If it is foreseen that students will one day have their own personal
>>> computers
>>>
>>> in whatever form they may take, we may as well start now and develop
>>> teaching
>>>
>>> methods and courses that use the current mobile technology. I believe
>> a
>>>
>>> graduated development of teaching pedagogy will be more useful than
>> waiting
>>>
>>> and trying to shift over to a new style once it has been deemed that
>> enough
>>>
>>> students have access to make it worthwhile.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Cameron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday 31 August 2006 20:12, Stephen Digby wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just got a single notebook trolley with 10 ACERs much against my
>>>
>>>> recomendation. Hope that the machines last..... In the past, I have
>>>
>>>> had bad experience with notebooks in classrooms - more than twice
>> the
>>>
>>>> price (esp. including more frequent amd much more expensive
>> repairs);
>>>
>>>> last less than half service life (include downtime); less classroom
>>>
>>>> efficiency for teacher (get trolley, supervise handout, supervise
>> use,
>>>
>>>> wait till students start them up, supercvise return to trolley c
>>>
>>>> correct connections to chargers; return trolley and plug in)
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Think that this is a very temporary fad until students all have
>>>
>>>> "personal" computers as seamlessly as they have phones.....
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ======================================================================
>> =====
>>>
>>>> = ==========
>>>
>>>> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
>>>
>>>> mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>>
>>>> Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>>
>>>> <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> ========================================================================
>> ===
>>>
>>>> = ==========
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> An empty stomach is not a good political advisor.
>>>
>>>> Albert Einstein
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> _____
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>> [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>>
>>>> On Behalf Of Robert Minato
>>>
>>>> Sent: 31 August 2006 03:37 PM
>>>
>>>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>>
>>>> Teachers'Mailing List
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Our school does not let students into computer rooms unless under
>>>
>>>> teacher supervision. We have three computer classrooms and another
>>>
>>>> computer room attached to the library. Students are allowed to use
>>>
>>>> library computers whenever library is open.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> We have recently gone down the path of setting up three cows
>>>
>>>> (computers on wheels). The library staff take bookings for these
>>>
>>>> laptop trolleys; nine laptops per trolley. Teachers book the cows
>> and
>>>
>>>> can use them in any classroom. The advantage I have found with the
>>>
>>>> cows is that you can sometimes just book one cow as not all students
>>>
>>>> need a computer at the same time; ie others are doing prac tasks.
>>>
>>> On Thursday 31 August 2006 20:12, Stephen Digby wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just got a single notebook trolley with 10 ACERs much against my
>>>
>>>> recomendation. Hope that the machines last..... In the past, I have
>>>
>>>> had bad experience with notebooks in classrooms - more than twice
>> the
>>>
>>>> price (esp. including more frequent amd much more expensive
>> repairs);
>>>
>>>> last less than half service life (include downtime); less classroom
>>>
>>>> efficiency for teacher (get trolley, supervise handout, supervise
>> use,
>>>
>>>> wait till students start them up, supercvise return to trolley c
>>>
>>>> correct connections to chargers; return trolley and plug in)
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Think that this is a very temporary fad until students all have
>>>
>>>> "personal" computers as seamlessly as they have phones.....
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ======================================================================
>> =====
>>>
>>>> = ==========
>>>
>>>> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
>>>
>>>> mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>>
>>>> Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>>
>>>> <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> ========================================================================
>> ===
>>>
>>>> = ==========
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> An empty stomach is not a good political advisor.
>>>
>>>> Albert Einstein
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> _____
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
>> [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>>
>>>> On Behalf Of Robert Minato
>>>
>>>> Sent: 31 August 2006 03:37 PM
>>>
>>>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>>
>>>> Teachers'Mailing List
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Our school does not let students into computer rooms unless under
>>>
>>>> teacher supervision. We have three computer classrooms and another
>>>
>>>> computer room attached to the library. Students are allowed to use
>>>
>>>> library computers whenever library is open.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> We have recently gone down the path of setting up three cows
>>>
>>>> (computers on wheels). The library staff take bookings for these
>>>
>>>> laptop trolleys; nine laptops per trolley. Teachers book the cows
>> and
>>>
>>>> can use them in any classroom. The advantage I have found with the
>>>
>>>> cows is that you can sometimes just book one cow as not all students
>>>
>>>> need a computer at the same time; ie others are doing prac tasks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Laurie Savage
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