[Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
Laurie Savage
sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
Tue Sep 5 12:07:12 EST 2006
And now we have a generation of people who cannot do the simplest
calculation in their head.
Laurie
Mark Scott wrote:
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> Royce
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> In the words of the immortal Billy S
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> *“Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;*
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> *Or close the wall up with our English dead.*
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> *In peace there's nothing so becomes a man*
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> *As modest stillness and humility;*
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> *But when the blast of war blows in our ears,*
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> *Then imitate the action of the tiger:*
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> *Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood.”*
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> To be short, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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> They said the same thing about calculators back in the early seventies.
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> Cordially yours
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> Mark Scott
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> Luther College
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Royce Williams
> Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 2:51 PM
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'MailingList
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
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> Where to start
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> The theory that every student should own and bring to class a laptop is
> of course one of the biggest educationalist crap shoots ever. With
> changes in the Internet / increased home ownership of computers
> /increased home broadband /USB memory down to 59$ per gig /pod casting/
> VCE and drafting ... Remember that ... I think student carried lippies
> should be well dead by now.
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> However Pods ?COWs individual laptops taken into classes is very valid.
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> Particularly in science .. Which not only has specialist rooms but have
> a huge amount of simulation and other programs that can be used.
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> We have for student use here about 150 laptops that can be borrowed by
> classes and individually. We don't use trolleys here due to physical
> layout of school. But bringing technology to students is better than
> making them lockstep to a "special" room .. Not withstanding that we
> have specialist computer areas (music/multimedia/art) and two full size
> computer rooms for when they are appropriate.
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> Laptops do cost more than equivalent desktops because of more expensive
> PSU's / batteries and LCD screens .. Tho the difference is rapidly
> falling. However you also need a better constructed laptop to survive
> the rigours of school life than you do a desk top. So hopping to get
> several years out of a sub $1000 laptop is a forlorn hope.
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> E.G. you might run DELL or Acer in your labs but you need the IBM or HP
> in your laptops.
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> Here students are not allowed in Computer rooms without supervision (in
> theory) .. In Middle school it leads off the Library .. No problems ..
> But senior school is really a problem with damage .. I need to put a
> teacher on a couch in there ... Rofl.
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> However there are 12 computers in the senior Library for student use as
> well.
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> Royce Williams
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> Manager Information Technology
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> Billanook College
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> 197-199 Cardigan Rd
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> Mooroolbark 3138
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> Victoria Australia
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> Tel: 61-3-9725 5388; Fax: 61-3-9725 8556
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Cameron
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> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 10:22 AM
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> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List
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> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
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> Apologies if this appears more than once - forgot to change identity. :(
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> Let me say that Laptop computers are not a fad. Once seen as a way that
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> private schools could "show off", they are now very mainstream in schools,
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> business and homes. Laptops are a superb solution to mobility and "where
> are
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> we going to fit in some more computers?". They have a role to play where
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> appropriate.
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> I would give my right arm for the ability of my Science classes to be
> able to
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> wheel in a set of notebooks to record prac results and create reports in
> real
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> time *in the lab*.
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> Each of our Yr 7 classes have their own trolley of 12 notebooks (1
> between 2
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> model) that they take to each class. They are responsible for their own
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> trolley which has helped reduce damage as they have a sense of
> ownership. The notebooks have helped many teachers transform the way
> they teach. Having
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> immediate access to the technology without need to organise room-swaps or
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> book computer rooms allows teachers to teach and students to learn "on the
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> fly" if needed. You don't need to plan to have "a computer lesson", you
> just
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> integrate the ICT as needed. The change we have seen in just 8 months is
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> astounding.
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> As mentioned the "bang for your buck" works out well in favour of desktops,
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> but only if you think in terms of hardware costs. I would place a great
> deal
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> more weight on "educational bang for your buck" when considering between
> the
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> two and notebooks rapidly catch or even surpass desktops when that is
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> factored in.
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> Given the amount of use the laptops have had, they are holding up
> remarkably
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> well. We have had one badly damaged case that will cost in the region of
> $800
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> to repair. OUCH! - may as well buy a new one. We have had a bit of trouble
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> with some keys being removed, but when you think of the amount of time they
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> are used for, it isn't too bad.
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> We are probably looking at a bit of both. We are having trouble deciding
> where
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> we can store the trolleys securely and at the same time, where we can
> fit in
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> more desktops. It is great to have the technology out of sight until you
> need
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> it and then you can place it on the same desks without the need for
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> additional furniture or desks.
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> If it is foreseen that students will one day have their own personal
> computers
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> in whatever form they may take, we may as well start now and develop
> teaching
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> methods and courses that use the current mobile technology. I believe a
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> graduated development of teaching pedagogy will be more useful than waiting
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> and trying to shift over to a new style once it has been deemed that enough
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> students have access to make it worthwhile.
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> Cheers
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> Cameron
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> On Thursday 31 August 2006 20:12, Stephen Digby wrote:
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>> Just got a single notebook trolley with 10 ACERs much against my
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>> recomendation. Hope that the machines last..... In the past, I have
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>> had bad experience with notebooks in classrooms - more than twice the
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>> price (esp. including more frequent amd much more expensive repairs);
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>> last less than half service life (include downtime); less classroom
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>> efficiency for teacher (get trolley, supervise handout, supervise use,
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>> wait till students start them up, supercvise return to trolley c
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>> correct connections to chargers; return trolley and plug in)
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>> Think that this is a very temporary fad until students all have
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>> "personal" computers as seamlessly as they have phones.....
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>> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
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>> mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au
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>> Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
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>> <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617
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>>= ==========
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>> An empty stomach is not a good political advisor.
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>> Albert Einstein
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>> _____
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>> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
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>> On Behalf Of Robert Minato
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>> Sent: 31 August 2006 03:37 PM
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>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
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>> Teachers'Mailing List
>
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
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>> Our school does not let students into computer rooms unless under
>
>> teacher supervision. We have three computer classrooms and another
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>> computer room attached to the library. Students are allowed to use
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>> library computers whenever library is open.
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>> We have recently gone down the path of setting up three cows
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>> (computers on wheels). The library staff take bookings for these
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>> laptop trolleys; nine laptops per trolley. Teachers book the cows and
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>> can use them in any classroom. The advantage I have found with the
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>> cows is that you can sometimes just book one cow as not all students
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>> need a computer at the same time; ie others are doing prac tasks.
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> On Thursday 31 August 2006 20:12, Stephen Digby wrote:
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>> Just got a single notebook trolley with 10 ACERs much against my
>
>> recomendation. Hope that the machines last..... In the past, I have
>
>> had bad experience with notebooks in classrooms - more than twice the
>
>> price (esp. including more frequent amd much more expensive repairs);
>
>> last less than half service life (include downtime); less classroom
>
>> efficiency for teacher (get trolley, supervise handout, supervise use,
>
>> wait till students start them up, supercvise return to trolley c
>
>> correct connections to chargers; return trolley and plug in)
>
>>
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>> Think that this is a very temporary fad until students all have
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>> "personal" computers as seamlessly as they have phones.....
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>>
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>>===========================================================================
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>>= ==========
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>> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
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>> mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au
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>> Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>
>> <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617
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>>
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>>= ==========
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>> An empty stomach is not a good political advisor.
>
>> Albert Einstein
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>>
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>>
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>> _____
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>>
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>> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>
>> On Behalf Of Robert Minato
>
>> Sent: 31 August 2006 03:37 PM
>
>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>
>> Teachers'Mailing List
>
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>
>>
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>>
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>> Our school does not let students into computer rooms unless under
>
>> teacher supervision. We have three computer classrooms and another
>
>> computer room attached to the library. Students are allowed to use
>
>> library computers whenever library is open.
>
>>
>
>> We have recently gone down the path of setting up three cows
>
>> (computers on wheels). The library staff take bookings for these
>
>> laptop trolleys; nine laptops per trolley. Teachers book the cows and
>
>> can use them in any classroom. The advantage I have found with the
>
>> cows is that you can sometimes just book one cow as not all students
>
>> need a computer at the same time; ie others are doing prac tasks.
>
>
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