[Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
Keith Richardson
keithcr at fastmail.fm
Mon Sep 4 18:08:24 EST 2006
we did that for one year in IP&M and the kids hated it (and they are
very computer literate - long live paper!
Keith
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:26:14 +1000, "Sam Denniston"
<samdenniston at iprimus.com.au> said:
>
>
> I can think of no greater torture than being forced to navigate through
> and
> read a textbook on a laptop.
>
>
> On 4/9/06 3:18 PM, "Mark Scott" <msc at staff.luther.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>
> >
> > Royce
> >
> > In the words of the immortal Billy S
> >
> > ³Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
> > Or close the wall up with our English dead.
> > In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
> > As modest stillness and humility;
> > But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
> > Then imitate the action of the tiger:
> > Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood.²
> >
> > To be short, you have no idea what you are talking about.
> >
> > They said the same thing about calculators back in the early seventies.
> >
> > Cordially yours
> > Mark Scott
> > Luther College
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On
> > Behalf Of Royce Williams
> > Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 2:51 PM
> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > Teachers'MailingList
> > Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
> >
> > Where to start
> >
> > The theory that every student should own and bring to class a laptop is of
> > course one of the biggest educationalist crap shoots ever. With changes in the
> > Internet / increased home ownership of computers /increased home broadband
> > /USB memory down to 59$ per gig /pod casting/ VCE and drafting ... Remember
> > that ... I think student carried lippies should be well dead by now.
> >
> > However Pods ?COWs individual laptops taken into classes is very valid.
> > Particularly in science .. Which not only has specialist rooms but have a huge
> > amount of simulation and other programs that can be used.
> >
> > We have for student use here about 150 laptops that can be borrowed by classes
> > and individually. We don't use trolleys here due to physical layout of school.
> > But bringing technology to students is better than making them lockstep to a
> > "special" room .. Not withstanding that we have specialist computer areas
> > (music/multimedia/art) and two full size computer rooms for when they are
> > appropriate.
> >
> > Laptops do cost more than equivalent desktops because of more expensive PSU's
> > / batteries and LCD screens .. Tho the difference is rapidly falling. However
> > you also need a better constructed laptop to survive the rigours of school
> > life than you do a desk top. So hopping to get several years out of a sub
> > $1000 laptop is a forlorn hope.
> > E.G. you might run DELL or Acer in your labs but you need the IBM or HP in
> > your laptops.
> >
> >
> > Here students are not allowed in Computer rooms without supervision (in
> > theory) .. In Middle school it leads off the Library .. No problems .. But
> > senior school is really a problem with damage .. I need to put a teacher on a
> > couch in there ... Rofl.
> > However there are 12 computers in the senior Library for student use as well.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Royce Williams
> > Manager Information Technology
> > Billanook College
> > 197-199 Cardigan Rd
> > Mooroolbark 3138
> > Victoria Australia
> > Tel: 61-3-9725 5388; Fax: 61-3-9725 8556
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On
> > Behalf Of Cameron
> > Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 10:22 AM
> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'Mailing
> > List
> > Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
> >
> >
> > Apologies if this appears more than once - forgot to change identity. :(
> >
> > Let me say that Laptop computers are not a fad. Once seen as a way that
> > private schools could "show off", they are now very mainstream in schools,
> > business and homes. Laptops are a superb solution to mobility and "where are
> > we going to fit in some more computers?". They have a role to play where
> > appropriate.
> > I would give my right arm for the ability of my Science classes to be able to
> > wheel in a set of notebooks to record prac results and create reports in real
> > time *in the lab*.
> > Each of our Yr 7 classes have their own trolley of 12 notebooks (1 between 2
> > model) that they take to each class. They are responsible for their own
> > trolley which has helped reduce damage as they have a sense of ownership. The
> > notebooks have helped many teachers transform the way they teach. Having
> > immediate access to the technology without need to organise room-swaps or
> > book computer rooms allows teachers to teach and students to learn "on the
> > fly" if needed. You don't need to plan to have "a computer lesson", you just
> > integrate the ICT as needed. The change we have seen in just 8 months is
> > astounding.
> > As mentioned the "bang for your buck" works out well in favour of desktops,
> > but only if you think in terms of hardware costs. I would place a great deal
> > more weight on "educational bang for your buck" when considering between the
> > two and notebooks rapidly catch or even surpass desktops when that is
> > factored in.
> > Given the amount of use the laptops have had, they are holding up remarkably
> > well. We have had one badly damaged case that will cost in the region of $800
> > to repair. OUCH! - may as well buy a new one. We have had a bit of trouble
> > with some keys being removed, but when you think of the amount of time they
> > are used for, it isn't too bad.
> >
> > We are probably looking at a bit of both. We are having trouble deciding where
> > we can store the trolleys securely and at the same time, where we can fit in
> > more desktops. It is great to have the technology out of sight until you need
> > it and then you can place it on the same desks without the need for
> > additional furniture or desks.
> >
> > If it is foreseen that students will one day have their own personal computers
> > in whatever form they may take, we may as well start now and develop teaching
> > methods and courses that use the current mobile technology. I believe a
> > graduated development of teaching pedagogy will be more useful than waiting
> > and trying to shift over to a new style once it has been deemed that enough
> > students have access to make it worthwhile.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Cameron
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thursday 31 August 2006 20:12, Stephen Digby wrote:
> >> > Just got a single notebook trolley with 10 ACERs much against my
> >> > recomendation. Hope that the machines last..... In the past, I have
> >> > had bad experience with notebooks in classrooms - more than twice the
> >> > price (esp. including more frequent amd much more expensive repairs);
> >> > last less than half service life (include downtime); less classroom
> >> > efficiency for teacher (get trolley, supervise handout, supervise use,
> >> > wait till students start them up, supercvise return to trolley c
> >> > correct connections to chargers; return trolley and plug in)
> >> >
> >> > Think that this is a very temporary fad until students all have
> >> > "personal" computers as seamlessly as they have phones.....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >===========================================================================
> >> >= ==========
> >> > Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
> >> > mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au
> >> > Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
> >> > <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617
> >> > ===========================================================================
> >> >= ==========
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > An empty stomach is not a good political advisor.
> >> > Albert Einstein
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _____
> >> >
> >> > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> >> > On Behalf Of Robert Minato
> >> > Sent: 31 August 2006 03:37 PM
> >> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> >> > Teachers'Mailing List
> >> > Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Our school does not let students into computer rooms unless under
> >> > teacher supervision. We have three computer classrooms and another
> >> > computer room attached to the library. Students are allowed to use
> >> > library computers whenever library is open.
> >> >
> >> > We have recently gone down the path of setting up three cows
> >> > (computers on wheels). The library staff take bookings for these
> >> > laptop trolleys; nine laptops per trolley. Teachers book the cows and
> >> > can use them in any classroom. The advantage I have found with the
> >> > cows is that you can sometimes just book one cow as not all students
> >> > need a computer at the same time; ie others are doing prac tasks.
> > On Thursday 31 August 2006 20:12, Stephen Digby wrote:
> >> > Just got a single notebook trolley with 10 ACERs much against my
> >> > recomendation. Hope that the machines last..... In the past, I have
> >> > had bad experience with notebooks in classrooms - more than twice the
> >> > price (esp. including more frequent amd much more expensive repairs);
> >> > last less than half service life (include downtime); less classroom
> >> > efficiency for teacher (get trolley, supervise handout, supervise use,
> >> > wait till students start them up, supercvise return to trolley c
> >> > correct connections to chargers; return trolley and plug in)
> >> >
> >> > Think that this is a very temporary fad until students all have
> >> > "personal" computers as seamlessly as they have phones.....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >===========================================================================
> >> >= ==========
> >> > Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
> >> > mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au
> >> > Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
> >> > <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617
> >> > ===========================================================================
> >> >= ==========
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > An empty stomach is not a good political advisor.
> >> > Albert Einstein
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _____
> >> >
> >> > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> >> > On Behalf Of Robert Minato
> >> > Sent: 31 August 2006 03:37 PM
> >> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> >> > Teachers'Mailing List
> >> > Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Our school does not let students into computer rooms unless under
> >> > teacher supervision. We have three computer classrooms and another
> >> > computer room attached to the library. Students are allowed to use
> >> > library computers whenever library is open.
> >> >
> >> > We have recently gone down the path of setting up three cows
> >> > (computers on wheels). The library staff take bookings for these
> >> > laptop trolleys; nine laptops per trolley. Teachers book the cows and
> >> > can use them in any classroom. The advantage I have found with the
> >> > cows is that you can sometimes just book one cow as not all students
> >> > need a computer at the same time; ie others are doing prac tasks.
> >
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