[Year 12 IPM] Database software for 2007

Fri Oct 13 09:07:32 EST 2006

The new studies are published - ask your library or Senior school Head where they are. Programming is only in the Yr 11 new study design - not Yr 12 applications (I think)

Ms Robyn Dunn
ICT Co-Ordinator
Camberwell High School
email: du at camhigh.vic.edu.au
phone: 98360555
fax: 98360194
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>>> <fiona at balmoralhs.vic.edu.au> 13/10/2006 9:22:38 am >>>
On a slight change of direction.  I (for numerous reasons, the main one problably laziness) have not had a chance to look at next years course.  I presumed that it was on the VCAA site to be studied but either I was in the wrong place or it has not been listed there. I am a little concerned because there is a mention in these posting of programming/coding - please tell me you are referring to the systems course and not the applications course or do I need to get my brain into gear and remember some programming.  The last I used was BASIC and the thingy stuff with the little turtle!!!!!

Fiona 
Balmoral High

Ps. not caring about the location of either my foot or my mouth I'll bet I am not the only one on the list wondering about this.

"Robert Hind" <robert at yinnar.com> on Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:35:44 +1000 wrote:
> It is not unknown for the Robert Hind mouth to open wide and the foot to be 
> firmly planted therein!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Kelly" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
> To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management 
> Teachers'Mailing List" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Database software for 2007
> 
> 
> >
> > Potter, Stuart J wrote:
> >> No HTML not a "programming" language, although it is often called that. 
> >> e.g. http://www.programmingtutorials.com/ 
> >>
> >> HTML is coding, rather than programming. I shouldn't have used 
> >> 'programming' instead of 'coding'. If I were to use Javascript, I would 
> >> ask my students, who have never attempted any programming/scripting 
> >> before to do some HTML 'coding' before they attempted Javascript 
> >> 'scripting' at year 11. I just threw both in together loosely under the 
> >> term 'programming'.
> >>
> >> Clearly I need to be much more pedantic.
> >
> > hehehehe.  That's what we're REALLY good at here  :-)
> >
> > But seriously folks, no-one here would want to discourage a colleague for 
> > trivial matters.
> >
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> >
> >> Stuart Potter
> >> IT co-ordinator
> >> Donald High School
> >>
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Robert Hind
> >> Sent: Thu 10/12/2006 5:34 PM
> >> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management 
> >> Teachers'MailingList
> >> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Database software for 2007
> >>  HTML programming!
> >>
> >> Please. HTML is surely not a programming language.
> >>
> >> Comments please.
> >>
> >> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
> >> Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Potter, Stuart J" <potter.stuart.j at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> >> To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management 
> >> Teachers'Mailing List" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:14 PM
> >> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Database software for 2007
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Donald High School will be using Filemaker Pro, for two of the reasons 
> >>> listed.
> >>>
> >>> - It's easy to learn and easy to use. (good for the students and me too)
> >>> - The school has a fully licenced copy of Filemaker Pro 8.0 (which is a 
> >>> recent version). We used to do our reports on it.
> >>>
> >>> Incidentally we're also a Macintosh school (45 desktops and a couple of 
> >>> laptops) shared by 165-170 students....although we do have one lab of 
> >>> Macs (20) with Intel chips meaning we can use Windows as well.
> >>>
> >>> Incidentally what programming / scripting  languages are being planned 
> >>> by teachers? Having done very little programming, I'm vacillating 
> >>> between Visual Basic (seems to be a few support materials around) and 
> >>> Javascript or HTML programming (obviously ties in well with web design 
> >>> and doesn't need any extra software apart from the source code.)
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>> Stuart Potter
> >>> IT co-ordinator
> >>> Donald High School
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Mark Kelly
> >>> Sent: Thu 10/12/2006 12:39 PM
> >>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management 
> >>> Teachers'Mailing List
> >>> Subject: [Year 12 IPM] Database software for 2007
> >>>
> >>> [7th attempt - our whole school has been blacklisted by SpamCop - and we
> >>> hope we are now off the blacklist!]
> >>>
> >>> Hi all.  Here's a frisky cat to throw among the pigeons.
> >>>
> >>> I'm curious what database management software will people be using for
> >>> ITA Unit 3 Outcome 1 next year?
> >>>
> >>> At the VITTA presentation I did on ITA in August, I recommended that if
> >>> we got organised and agreed on a standard tool we could be much more
> >>> efficient when sharing tutorials, sample tasks, tips and hints, sample
> >>> outcomes etc - all of which will be a big in 2007 as we adjust to the
> >>> new course.
> >>>
> >>> The main DBMS contenders I see are:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- MS Access
> >>> - Access is not a standard part of the average MS Office suite (AFAIK),
> >>> so many kids are unlikely to have it at home, so it would be hard to
> >>> assign homework or practice tasks using it.
> >>> - It costs big money if kids have to buy it for home.
> >>> - It costs big money for non-government schools.
> >>> - For most people, it's not as easy to learn as Filemaker is.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Filemaker
> >>> - Even fewer kids are likely to have Filemaker at home, so assigning
> >>> home practice would be nearly impossible.
> >>> - It's easy to learn (especially creating programming scripts) and easy
> >>> to use.
> >>> - It costs big money if kids had to buy it for home.
> >>> - It costs big money for schools to buy.
> >>>
> >>> (Having said that, it's the database I use for McKinnon's reporting
> >>> package, and the database I'm most skilled with.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- OpenOffice.org Base
> >>> - It's FREE for students and schools.
> >>> - It's compatible with MS Access (and can read Access database files)
> >>> - It's pretty much as easy to use as Access.
> >>> - There's some online support for it, but more is coming and we can work
> >>> as a team to develop all we need!
> >>> - Did I mention it's FREE?
> >>> - It comes with other open source replacements for Word, Excel,
> >>> Powerpoint, drawing software etc.
> >>> - It even has its own equivalent of VBA for programming macros.
> >>> - Oh yeah - and it's FREE!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- MySQL
> >>> I only include this because I've heard of one school planning to use it.
> >>>  I would not recommend it because it's far too complex for kids to
> >>> learn from scratch in VCE: too much programming required to get the job
> >>> done.  Way overkill, IMHO.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you get some time as the year winds down, how about getting a copy of
> >>> (http://openoffice.org) - it's about 50M to download, and is available
> >>> via WWW and Bittorrent.
> >>>
> >>> Have a play, see what you think.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>> Mark K
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> Mark Kelly
> >>> Manager - Information Systems
> >>> McKinnon Secondary College
> >>> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
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> >>> School Phone +613 8520 9000  <<< NEW NUMBER
> >>> School Fax +613 95789253
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> >>>
> > -- 
> > Mark Kelly
> > Manager - Information Systems
> > McKinnon Secondary College
> > McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
> > Direct line / Voicemail: 8520 9085
> > School Phone +613 8520 9000 << new number!
> > School Fax   +613 9578 9253
> >
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