[Year 12 IPM] ITA ("IPM 2007") summary

[Keith Richardson]

Zach - can this divisiveness please stop.
By all means have our say, but insulting others is far from what this
list is here for.
I find your term "in Brighton, land of the crime warlords," highly
offensive, most unfortunate, and totally unprofessional. 
Sorry, but you have stepped over the line, and as Moderator of the IPM
list, I must request your apology and retraction.
Mud thrown sticks, unfortunately, both to the target and to the original
thrower. Also, most damage is done to those who read, learn, listen and
apply much of what they consider to be useful - but with mud like that
being thrown around, most will stay lurkers, and we may never learn from
them, good and useful things.
The vast majority of your offerings have been solid gold, highly valued,
and applied by many. Thank you, but moderation please.
<<Keith wearily climbs down off the soap box, where he was hoping not to
be>>
Ciao all.
Keith


On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:26:12 +1100, "Zach Alexakos"
<alexakos.zach.z at edumail.vic.gov.au> said:
> End of March?   That might be how they do things over there in 
> Brighton, land of the crime warlords, but the official working party 
> had two years to organise the study guide, with my input and that of 
> many other teachers included.
> 
> Sorry but I have a house to paint over the holidays.
> 
> Zach Alexakos
> 
> 
> At 07:14 PM 3/03/2006, you wrote:
> >Nick, Zach, and Laurie
> >
> >how about by the end of March you all write a detailed alternative study
> >design - tell us what it should contain in some detail, not just headlines.
> >Make sure it's coherent and covers at least four semesters units.
> >
> >I'd like to hear how you plan to save IT
> >
> >Regards
> >Robert T-A
> >Brighton SC
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Nick Axaris" <na at willihigh.vic.edu.au>
> >To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'
> >Mailing List" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> >Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:14 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] ITA ("IPM 2007") summary
> >
> >
> > > Apologies to anyone who may be offended by my "egghead" and "crud"
> > > comments I retract them as they were said in the heat of the moment.
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't take this personally.
> > > The course as I read it is a rehash of the old with a few new added bits.
> > > it needed a big spruce up and I'm afraid it hasn't happened.
> > > The bottom line is bums on seats and we won't see that.
> > > Students have moved past databases.
> > > THIS is why vet courses are so popular.
> > > quote: "The VET courses provide a
> > > very different experience for students, and we did not want to replicate
> > > that" end quote:
> > >
> > > There was no need to replicate the courses but after our debates on this
> >forum we should at least have incorporated elements from  them so that
> >student interest would be there.
> > >
> > > Who are we writing the courses for?
> > > the students or the traditionalists?
> > > I maintain that the course should be renamed IT office
> >administration.(ITOA)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Adrian Janson wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When writing a course from the ground up - and this IS what we did, it
> >is
> > > > important to consider those elements that are core elements of our
> > > > discipline.  We have included these - and more.  The VET courses provide
> >a
> > > > very different experience for students, and we did not want to replicate
> > > > that.  The study design affords a wide range of applications and tasks
> >to be
> > > > completed - and it is up to us to write coursework to fit into our
> >schools
> > > > and tailored for our particular students.  I for one, will gladly post
> >my
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Adrian Janson
> > > > Melbourne High School
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Keith Richardson
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