[Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams

Fri Dec 1 06:19:57 EST 2006

Thank you Mark and Paula - although I don't like it, I can see where you
are coming from.
I personally do not like it because having to 'fake-it' rarely leaves me
or the kids satisfied - it seems like science experiments of old where
we tell the kids what 'should' have happened even though their eyes and
ears tell them that it did not.
I guess that as long as we expose them to actually functioning tools
albeit not in their actual SAC, they can become intuitively confident
that such functionality does really exist. In the past I have
experienced similar frustrations with wanting to have functioning
databases behind websites.
However, for myself I intend trying as hard as possible to achieve
genuine functionality of appropriate virtual-team-tools within their SAC
situation. Time will tell!
Keith

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:29:14 +1100, "Christophersen, Paula P"
<christophersen.paula.p at edumail.vic.gov.au> said:
> Mark and colleagues
> 
> This last interpretation of the outcome (and task requirements) and
> advice about teaching and learning and assessment are timely and
> correct.
> 
> Regards
> Paula
> 
> Paula Christophersen
> ICT Curriculum Manager
> Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
> Authority
> 41 St Andrews Place
> EAST MELBOURNE 3002
> Phone: 03 9651 4378
> Fax: 03 9651 4324
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 8:21 AM
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
> 
> Key things to remember abuout ITA U3O2, as I understand it...
> 
> - Knowledge sharing is part of it, but the solution must also facilitate
> 
> team decision-making.  (So a static website with info on it - as in the
> Potts example - is not good.)
> 
> - Features that can't be realistically created for real can be
> simulated. e.g. Create a web forum lookalike screen in Photoshop; fake a
> 
> web-shopping checkout or online feedback form, or a networked calendar
> or booking sheet with graphics buttons and the like.  Since it's a
> prototype website, such parts do not need to actually work.  So the kids
> 
> don't need to actually set up a Miki or a Woogle, they just have to
> indicate that they know it would help the team share info / make
> collaborative decisions.
> 
> - So by all means introduce kids to relevant tools, but don't freak
> yourself out unnecessarily about having to use them in the outcome.
> 
> As I understand it...
> 
> Mark
> 
> Keith Richardson wrote:
> > I am also very confused by this Geraldine - I am almost tempted to try
> > to do it in two parts - one with website creation, and one using our
> > Moodle in the school setting them the task to design then create
> various
> > cooperative, virtual team tools and be able to demonstrate that they
> > actually work. I have not planned more deeply than that yet.
> > What do others think?
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:23:11 +1100, "Geraldine McKenna"
> > <gmckenna at ozemail.com.au> said:
> >> I still feel quite unclear about what is expected in this outcome.
> Would
> >> a
> >> link to the Google Docs site mentioned recently suffice or a link to
> a
> >> Moodle wiki for sharing knowledge or a blog? Given that we need to
> use
> >> web
> >> authoring software - Dreamweaver in my case - I can only imagine
> creating
> >> links to other tools rather than actually creating the knowledge
> sharing
> >> capability within the website. Can anyone give more specific examples
> of
> >> how
> >> they imagine this prototype website will look?
> >> Geraldine McKenna
> >> Avila College
> >>
> >> Thanks also for feedback re VET Multimedia. Seems it may not be a
> more
> >> attractive option for girls?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]On
> >> Behalf Of Christophersen, Paula P
> >> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:33 AM
> >> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> >> Teachers'MailingList
> >> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear colleagues
> >>
> >> It's great to hear this healthy discussion regarding Unit 3, Outcome
> 2.
> >> I just want to stress that when students independently develop their
> >> prototype website, it is OK just to simulate practices/tools rather
> than
> >> creating/using them. The main intention of this part of the outcome
> is
> >> for students to demonstrate their understanding of tools/facilities
> >> available to support knowledge sharing and collaborative
> >> decision-making.
> >>
> >> So, when completing this assessment task, students would design the
> >> website, create the homepage and create/simulate that part of the
> >> website that supports knowledge sharing and collaborative decision
> >> making. Then, comes the theory part on networking.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Paula
> >>
> >> Paula Christophersen
> >> ICT Curriculum Manager
> >> Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
> >> Authority
> >> 41 St Andrews Place
> >> EAST MELBOURNE 3002
> >> Phone: 03 9651 4378
> >> Fax: 03 9651 4324
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> >> On Behalf Of Cameron Bell
> >> Sent: Friday, 24 November 2006 8:05 AM
> >> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> >> Teachers'Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
> >>
> >> Likewise. I am wondering about setting up a Jabber server for such a
> >> purpose. Simply to reduce external traffic costs and bandwidth and
> keep
> >> it fully internal and "safer" for students. Has anyone done this yet?
> >> Would be interested in feedback.
> >> Cameron
> >>
> >> Keith Richardson wrote:
> >>> Skype has enabled some of the virtual teams I work in to be fast,
> >>> efficient and effective, but it is real-time. One also needs
> >>> a-synchronous tools too.
> >>> Keith
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:30:47 +1100, "Mark Kelly"
> >>> <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> said:
> >>>
> >>>> Yes, but is email a complete solution?  It's certainly relevant and
> >>>> important, but can it achieve everything a virtual team needs?
> >>>>
> >>>> I ask myself (as 3:30 comes and I have to drag myself to a
> curriculum
> >>>> meeting) why I'm dragging myself to a meeting.  Why couldn't it be
> >> done
> >>>> by email?  If you can work that out, you may start to see where
> >> email's
> >>>> limitations begin.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2.2 cents' worth (GST inc)
> >>>>
> >>>> Off to curriculum.  VELS again.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sigh........
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> jtabone at aitkencollege.edu.au wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dear All
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am reading with interest everyone's comments on U302 -
> >>>>> collaborative problem solving within virtual teams and am
> wondering
> >>>>> if I may be over-simplifying this outcome task
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Going by the detailed example in the study design p. 69-70 we are
> >>>>> given the scenario of university located on one
> >>>>> "large campus", whereby management has recently formed as one of
> >>>>> their key objectives to "strengthen current strategic
> collaborations
> >>>>> and forge new alliances that will create new knowledge ..."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The task is then:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "design and create a prototype website for Sherwood University
> that
> >>>>> will enable various virtual teams ... to realise their goals and
> to
> >>>>> enhance decision making, knowledge sharing and collaborative
> problem
> >>>>> solving"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Couldn't simply having an email link solve this problem - yes you
> >>>>> would use wikis, blogs, forums, webcasts, and every other "sexy"
> >>>>> tool
> >>>>> - however I can communicate virtually via email to people with the
> >>>>> same interest (teams)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Really, isn't that what I am doing right now - sending an email to
> a
> >>>>> group of people with a common interest and goal and sharing
> >>>>> information and receiving information in a collaborative
> environment
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just my thoughts
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>> Joyce Tabone
> >>>>> Aitken College
> >>>>>
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