[Year 12 IPM] Re: ipm Digest, Vol 9, Issue 26
Janette Bennie
jfben2 at student.monash.edu
Fri Nov 11 11:20:19 EST 2005
Thanks everyone for your contributions! I'm a housewife who has just finished my dip-ed and will be doing CRT next year as my youngest settles into Prep. I love learning from you all, and although I haven't anything valuable to contribute (except maybe some great house-keeping tips and recipes for cookies!)I am learning heaps from you all, and feel grateful for the privilege of being able to lurk! Cheers guys!
Janette
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> 1. Read the latest 3in6-VITTA-Video-Competition article
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> 2. Re: An Invitation to Lurkers (Keith Richardson)
> 3. RE: Exam Post Mortem now online (WEIR Andrew)
> 4. Out from the shadows ... (Trent Bolte)
> 5. Re: Question 5 once more (Kevork Krozian)
> 6. RE: Exam Post Mortem now online (Murray O.)
> 7. Re: An Invitation to Lurkers (Roland Gesthuizen)
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:12:37 +1100
> From: "Keith Richardson" <keithcr at fastmail.fm>
> Subject: [Year 12 IPM] Read the latest 3in6-VITTA-Video-Competition
> article
> To: "List IS" <is at edulists.com.au>, "List Multi-Media"
> <vet-mm at edulists.com.au>, "List Tech" <tech at edulists.com.au>, "List
> Yr7-10it" <yr7-10it at edulists.com.au>, "List IP&M"
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> Please forgive cross-posts.
>
> Would you like to read an article about what it was like during the
> running of this year's 3in6 schools video competition? This has been
> written for the Conference edition of VITTA's magazine "Infonet".
> Here is the link location for the 38Kb Word file:
>
> http://3in6.openlab.net.au/resources/3in6-2005-Infonet-Article-November.doc
>
> Regards, Keith Richardson
> Organizer VITTA-3in6-2005
>
>
> Keith Richardson
> Leibler Yavneh College
> Elsternwick Ph (03)9528 4911
> keithcr at fastmail.fm
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:55:02 +1100
> From: "Keith Richardson" <keithcr at fastmail.fm>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] An Invitation to Lurkers
> To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers' Mailing List" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> Message-ID: <1131656102.7377.247251596 at webmail.messagingengine.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> A great rejoiner, Kevork!
> I remember way back when I first discovered this list, followed rapidly
> by many of Kevork's others, I simply lurked. Often I felt the urge to
> contribute or merely reply, but something held me back. Perhaps it was
> fear of criticism, or perhaps I remembered a voice saying "People may
> think you're stupid, so why open it and remove all doubt?" We can be so
> cruel to ourselves with personal negative thoughts. Even after I had
> begun contributing, I received an email from someone saying "Get a
> life!" implying that IPM was all I had time for. Gee, the truth hurt!
> But so what...
> Now I really don't care. Being community is, for me, what it is all
> about. For every contribution I make, I get 100 great ones from others.
> I feel free to seek advice because in some way I feel that I have earned
> the right to ask by freely giving to others.
> There is one international photography group that I belong to, and
> sometimes you can contribute a photo that you personally feel is your
> very best, and the silence is deafening! Real lead balloon stuff. You
> feel so empty. And then a comment comes, and wow! You are not alone. It
> gives you the strength to try again, and again.
> If you enjoy the list, pause and seek this answer - why do you enjoy it?
> Perhaps it is because it lives? It lives through the words of those who
> take the risk, and contribute. You too can add to its life, breathe
> existance into its bones, make it something even more exciting than it
> is now, not with a world shattering new idea - they come rarely - but
> with a simple few words, that may merely say "Me too."
> <<Keith puts soap-box away.>>
> Thanks Kevork & Mark!
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:29:52 +1100, "Kevork Krozian"
> <kevork at edulists.com.au> said:
> > Dear Mark and IPM teachers,
> >
> > What a beautiful message !!
> >
> > Can I just say that apparently there are 552 active ( the messages do not
> > bounce back to the server ) email addresses receiving IPM mailing list
> > messages as at 10 Nov 2005.
> >
> > Scanning just this month's archives I see no more than about 35 different
> > contributors posting a total of 86 messages in these 10 days. Considering
> > the Everest for our toil throughout the year is the exam I am sure a few
> > more of the 552 people have a comment, observation , complaint or
> > compliment
> > to make about the exam we just had.
> >
> > When so many teachers do join in the discussion, and when Mark bares his
> > soul by sticking his neck out with full solutions and a review of the
> > exam
> > we have plenty to inspire us to join in.
> >
> > This list is for all IPM teachers and no one will be criticised for an
> > honest and sincere ( or even funny ) contribution in the quest for the
> > best
> > possible outcomes for our students.
> >
> > Keep Well
> > Kevork Krozian
> > Mailing List Creator and Administrator
> > kevork at edulists.com.au
> > www.edulists.com.au
> > Tel: 0419 356 034
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Kelly" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
> > To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > Teachers'Mailing List" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:14 PM
> > Subject: [Year 12 IPM] An Invitation to Lurkers
> >
> >
> > >
> > > For all those of you IPM teachers lurking quietly in the lonely gloom of
> > > your school, nervous about standing proudly in the light of the mailing
> > > list and saying what's churning in your innards...
> > >
> > > Tear off your loincloth and proudly and loudly say what you think...
> > >
> > > This list is for all teachers of IPM. We like to hear new voices. We seem
> > > to be always hearing from the same old valuable voices, so it's nice to
> > > hear new points of view.
> > >
> > > Be not afeared: I have never seen anyone embarrassed or abused here for
> > > daring to speak his/her mind. We're really QUITE nice. Well... most of us
> > > are nice, if you exclude boisterous motorcyclists like Smee and me.
> > >
> > > Please feel free to share your opinions - even if you are new to IPM and
> > > feeling fragile about giving opinions or asking for advice.
> > >
> > > The 2005 exam is the most popular topic at the moment, so please give us
> > > your views. No question or comment is dumb (except for mine - I have that
> > > rare privilege here.)
> > >
> > > A loud and polyphonic voice goes to making us stronger and sexier*.
> > >
> > > If we all crow loud enough, the examiners may hear us!
> > >
> > > We may not change the world, but we may change the 2006 exam. Let there
> > > be no more QUESTION FIVES!
> > >
> > > Love and kisses
> > >
> > > Mark Kelly
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > * This may not be *strictly* true, but one can hope.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark Kelly
> > > Moderator: IPM Mailing List
> > >
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> Keith Richardson
> IPM List Moderator
> Head of ICT, Leibler Yavneh College
> Elsternwick
> Ph: 03.9528.4911
> k.richardson at yavneh.vic.edu.au
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:03:41 +1100
> From: "WEIR Andrew" <WEIR at thomascarr.vic.edu.au>
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Exam Post Mortem now online
> To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> Message-ID:
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> Mark
> Love the post mortem document have read it through once already going
> back again for a few more reads. Your post mortem of each question
> provides us Newbie's (only teaching ipm for second year) so really great
> insights.
>
> I especially like the discussion going on about question 5 multiple
> choice.
> I also liked more discussion on Q18 MC but as I read the question I
> think what was the first thing that she did that was illegal. I.e. Most
> correct Answer. So to be I would say B first the D.
>
> Anyway well done Mark.
>
> Andrew Weir
>
> Andrew Weir
> Head Of Information Technology
> VK3HFT
> Thomas Carr College
> 35 Thomas Carr College Tarneit
>
> Phone 9748 4466
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:25:16 +1100
> From: "Trent Bolte" <tbolte at mercycollege.melb.catholic.edu.au>
> Subject: [Year 12 IPM] Out from the shadows ...
> To: "'Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers' Mailing List'" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> Message-ID:
> <000b01c5e645$a5097700$744c860a at mercycollege.melb.catholic.edu.au>
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>
> Hello All,
> Thanks for the invite to come out of the shadows. I did try to post a
> reply
> the other day (to the dreaded Q5) but it did not seem to pop up. Thanks
> to
> all of those loud and proud contributors to the list who have carried
> many
> of us throughout the year. Rest assured that I will raise a glass to you
> all and sing your praises during happy hour at my local this
> afternoon/evening.
> Look forward to reading more of my inane chatter in 2006.
> Cheers
> Trent Bolte
> LTC Mercy College, Coburg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On
> Behalf Of WEIR Andrew
> Sent: Friday, 11 November 2005 9:04 AM
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Exam Post Mortem now online
>
> Mark
> Love the post mortem document have read it through once already going
> back again for a few more reads. Your post mortem of each question
> provides us Newbie's (only teaching ipm for second year) so really great
> insights.
>
> I especially like the discussion going on about question 5 multiple
> choice.
> I also liked more discussion on Q18 MC but as I read the question I
> think what was the first thing that she did that was illegal. I.e. Most
> correct Answer. So to be I would say B first the D.
>
> Anyway well done Mark.
>
> Andrew Weir
>
> Andrew Weir
> Head Of Information Technology
> VK3HFT
> Thomas Carr College
> 35 Thomas Carr College Tarneit
>
> Phone 9748 4466
> Fax 9748 4388
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:51:55 +1100
> From: "Kevork Krozian" <Kroset at novell1.fhc.vic.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Question 5 once more
> To: <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> Message-ID: <s37469c1.019 at novell3.fhc.vic.edu.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>
> Hi IPM-ers,
>
> Just to confuse matters a bit more let me say that charging GST is not
> compulsory if you are not registered for GST.
> My accountant's advice is that a business that turns over less than
> $50,000 a year does not need to be registered for GST and therefore does
> not have to charge GST .
> This means putting GST charges on the invoice is not mandatory. ......
> and the invoice is marked "invoice" and not "tax invoice".
>
>
> Sorry to hinder and carp further ...
>
> Best Wishes
>
>
>
> Kevork Krozian
> IT Manager , Forest Hill College
> k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
> http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au
> Mobile: 0419 356 034
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:57:46 +1100
> From: "Murray O." <murrao at westbourne.vic.edu.au>
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Exam Post Mortem now online
> To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers' Mailing List" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> Message-ID: <F4656B823CCED3118B9900E018C2DAC906D78D9F at GATEWAY>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Mark, thanks for putting up the annual whinge ... it's my turn now.
> As I was comparing answers it struck me as odd that if any 2 IPM teachers
> sat the exam they would answer a few questions differently yet they could
> justify their answers (ie teach it).
>
> This vagueness is a constant theme with IPM and it is not acceptable.
> The VCAA should be held accountable?
> The current method of creating the study design is lacking and the exam
> setting process is flawed.
>
> As teachers of IPM we need the VCAA to set clear guidelines.
>
> Let's use technology to make this subject better.
> At the end of each year get a consultant (experienced IPM teacher,
> industry
> specialist etc) to define an area of the course and provide some
> resources,
> examples and teaching aids eg the analysis stage of the problem solving
> methodology consists of the following steps.
>
> If there is disagreement it can be redefined the next year.
>
> BTW I think IPM has the potential to be an extremely rewarding subject to
> teach or study and each year get a call from at least 1 past students who
> wants a copy of some of the notes or other assistance.
>
> Regards,
> Oliver Murray
> Web Developer
> Westbourne Grammar School
> www.westbournegrammar.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> > On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2005 12:52
> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > Teachers'Mailing List
> > Subject: [Year 12 IPM] Exam Post Mortem now online
> >
> > My annual whinge is now online at
> >
> > http://www.mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au/la/it/ipmnotes/exam/2005exam/index.htm
> >
> > Feel free to carp, bicker and protest.
> >
>
>
> --
> Mark Kelly
> Manager - Information Systems
> McKinnon Secondary College
> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria Australia
> Phone +613 95780844 Fax +613 95789253
> http://www.mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
> IPM Lecture notes: http://vceit.com
> Moderator: IPM Mailing List
>
> Gosh you're cute. Wanna buy a monkey?
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:13:57 +1100
> From: Roland Gesthuizen <rge at westallsc.vic.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] An Invitation to Lurkers
> To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers' Mailing List" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> Message-ID: <4373D435.9080501 at westallsc.vic.edu.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> To my horror, only three students came out of the examination room. I
> gave a friendly high-five to congratulate their success but my heart
> sank. The examiner caught my frantic look and gestured me over to say
> that the bulk had left only just before the 5 min deadline. (phew) I had
> made all sorts of hollow threats and bribes for my students to stay to
> the end. Each year I wonder if I could better reinforce my examination
> technique. Thank you everybody, I have made good use of all the practice
> activities, websites and resources everybody.
>
> My heart lifted afterwards when a colleague and I looked over the paper
> afterwards to try and guess the dog biscuit award that Mark might dish
> out. We laughed off all our problems, wished our students the best then
> jointly filled the round filing cabinet with practice examinations and
> notes that will never be picked up.
>
> Regards Roland
>
> Keith Richardson wrote:
>
> >A great rejoiner, Kevork!
> >I remember way back when I first discovered this list, followed rapidly
> >by many of Kevork's others, I simply lurked. Often I felt the urge to
> >contribute or merely reply, but something held me back. Perhaps it was
> >fear of criticism, or perhaps I remembered a voice saying "People may
> >think you're stupid, so why open it and remove all doubt?" We can be so
> >cruel to ourselves with personal negative thoughts. Even after I had
> >begun contributing, I received an email from someone saying "Get a
> >life!" implying that IPM was all I had time for. Gee, the truth hurt!
> >But so what...
> >Now I really don't care. Being community is, for me, what it is all
> >about. For every contribution I make, I get 100 great ones from others.
> >I feel free to seek advice because in some way I feel that I have earned
> >the right to ask by freely giving to others.
> >There is one international photography group that I belong to, and
> >sometimes you can contribute a photo that you personally feel is your
> >very best, and the silence is deafening! Real lead balloon stuff. You
> >feel so empty. And then a comment comes, and wow! You are not alone. It
> >gives you the strength to try again, and again.
> >If you enjoy the list, pause and seek this answer - why do you enjoy it?
> >Perhaps it is because it lives? It lives through the words of those who
> >take the risk, and contribute. You too can add to its life, breathe
> >existance into its bones, make it something even more exciting than it
> >is now, not with a world shattering new idea - they come rarely - but
> >with a simple few words, that may merely say "Me too."
> ><<Keith puts soap-box away.>>
> >Thanks Kevork & Mark!
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:29:52 +1100, "Kevork Krozian"
> ><kevork at edulists.com.au> said:
> >
> >
> >>Dear Mark and IPM teachers,
> >>
> >> What a beautiful message !!
> >>
> >>Can I just say that apparently there are 552 active ( the messages do not
> >>bounce back to the server ) email addresses receiving IPM mailing list
> >>messages as at 10 Nov 2005.
> >>
> >>Scanning just this month's archives I see no more than about 35 different
> >>contributors posting a total of 86 messages in these 10 days. Considering
> >>the Everest for our toil throughout the year is the exam I am sure a few
> >>more of the 552 people have a comment, observation , complaint or
> >>compliment
> >>to make about the exam we just had.
> >>
> >>When so many teachers do join in the discussion, and when Mark bares his
> >>soul by sticking his neck out with full solutions and a review of the
> >>exam
> >>we have plenty to inspire us to join in.
> >>
> >>This list is for all IPM teachers and no one will be criticised for an
> >>honest and sincere ( or even funny ) contribution in the quest for the
> >>best
> >>possible outcomes for our students.
> >>
> >>Keep Well
> >>Kevork Krozian
> >>Mailing List Creator and Administrator
> >>kevork at edulists.com.au
> >>www.edulists.com.au
> >>Tel: 0419 356 034
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Mark Kelly" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
> >>To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> >>Teachers'Mailing List" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> >>Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:14 PM
> >>Subject: [Year 12 IPM] An Invitation to Lurkers
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>For all those of you IPM teachers lurking quietly in the lonely gloom of
> >>>your school, nervous about standing proudly in the light of the mailing
> >>>list and saying what's churning in your innards...
> >>>
> >>>Tear off your loincloth and proudly and loudly say what you think...
> >>>
> >>>This list is for all teachers of IPM. We like to hear new voices. We seem
> >>>to be always hearing from the same old valuable voices, so it's nice to
> >>>hear new points of view.
> >>>
> >>>Be not afeared: I have never seen anyone embarrassed or abused here for
> >>>daring to speak his/her mind. We're really QUITE nice. Well... most of us
> >>>are nice, if you exclude boisterous motorcyclists like Smee and me.
> >>>
> >>>Please feel free to share your opinions - even if you are new to IPM and
> >>>feeling fragile about giving opinions or asking for advice.
> >>>
> >>>The 2005 exam is the most popular topic at the moment, so please give us
> >>>your views. No question or comment is dumb (except for mine - I have that
> >>>rare privilege here.)
> >>>
> >>>A loud and polyphonic voice goes to making us stronger and sexier*.
> >>>
> >>>If we all crow loud enough, the examiners may hear us!
> >>>
> >>>We may not change the world, but we may change the 2006 exam. Let there
> >>>be no more QUESTION FIVES!
> >>>
> >>>Love and kisses
> >>>
> >>>Mark Kelly
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>
> >>>* This may not be *strictly* true, but one can hope.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Mark Kelly
> >>>Moderator: IPM Mailing List
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
> >>>IPM Mailing List kindly supported by
> >>>http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority
> >>>and
> >>>http://www.vitta.org.au - VITTA Victorian Information Technology Teachers
> >>>Association Inc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>IPM Mailing List kindly supported by
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> >>Authority and
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> >>Teachers Association Inc
> >>
> >>
> >Keith Richardson
> >IPM List Moderator
> >Head of ICT, Leibler Yavneh College
> >Elsternwick
> >Ph: 03.9528.4911
> >k.richardson at yavneh.vic.edu.au
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >http://www.vitta.org.au - VITTA Victorian Information Technology Teachers Association Inc
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Roland Gesthuizen - eLearning Coordinator - Westall Secondary College
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