[Year 12 IPM] RE: [Yr7-10it] ICT in the Essential Learning
Standards
Keith Richardson
keithcr at fastmail.fm
Sun Jun 26 21:51:45 EST 2005
Thank you Andrew - I've had a quick look, and they look great! Best of
luck.
Cio for now, Keith
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:13:23 +1000, "Andrew Grimshaw"
<grimshaw.andrew.j at edumail.vic.gov.au> said:
> sure Keith - here are some docs Ive used
>
> note:
>
> a TLA is a "teaching and learning area" at our school ( we no longer
> have
> KLAs - haha)
>
> the 'proposed ...' doc was one i used for my first meeting with the
> curriculum committee last month
>
> the 2 VEP units there have since grown to 3 (as in the 'New_VEP ...'
> doc')
>
> the yrs 8-10 units were accepted - just yr 7 still to be decided
>
> the 3 new vep units are based on keith's curriculum - 8261 adapted from
> KR's
> yr 8 course, 8362 from his yr 9 and 8461 from his yr 10!
>
> thx keith, you're a goldmine of ideas!
>
> -andrew grimshaw
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Richardson" <keithcr at fastmail.fm>
> To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] RE: [Yr7-10it] ICT in the Essential Learning
> Standards
>
>
> > That sounds great Andrew.
> > Any chance of you putting your plan up here for us all to read (and
> > maybe even use ourselves!)?
> > Cheers, Keith
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:08:28 +1000, "Andrew Grimshaw"
> > <grimshaw.andrew.j at edumail.vic.gov.au> said:
> >> i think the cause may be partly that most of the students have better ICT
> >> skills than most of the teachers, so the teachers dont see the need for
> >> them to have ICT classes. at the last Curriculum Committee, where i am
> >> arguing for the reintroduction of ICT in yr7, other teachers actually
> >> said
> >> that - "the kids all ready know how to use Word and Powerpoint so we dont
> >> need classes in it."
> >>
> >> This may well be true (although i dont think many yr 7s are either
> >> efficient
> >> or effective in their use of Office). The course i am proposing however
> >> is
> >> largely multimedia however.
> >>
> >> The model i am proposing is based on the VELS approach. I will coordinate
> >> it
> >> so that the students bring projects to ICT from other KLAs, or from
> >> elsewhere in the school (ie open night projects, etc). They will then
> >> undertake the projects under the supervision of an ICT proficient
> >> teacher.
> >>
> >> Will meet the curriculum committee again next term so will let y'all know
> >> how i go
> >>
> >> -andrew grimshaw
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Keith Richardson" <keithcr at fastmail.fm>
> >> To: "Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List"
> >> <yr7-10it at edulists.com.au>; "List IS" <is at edulists.com.au>;
> >> "ListMulti-Media" <vet-mm at edulists.com.au>; "List Tech"
> >> <tech at edulists.com.au>; "List IP&M" <ipm at edulists.com.au>; "List Moodle"
> >> <moodle at edulists.com.au>
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 8:34 AM
> >> Subject: [Year 12 IPM] RE: [Yr7-10it] ICT in the Essential Learning
> >> Standards
> >>
> >>
> >> > DISCUSSION STARTER...
> >> > I find it interesting to be in the MIDDLE of something huge that is
> >> > happening, know that it is happening, yet not be able to see or
> >> > understand WHY it is happening. Methinks that it has something to do
> >> > with VALUES perhaps? When we talk about THEM, and THEY, we are (I
> >> > assume) referring to the great mass of non-ICT-expert adults in the
> >> > world. However, it is THEY who obviously have more control than we do
> >> > over the values 'society' places on ICT education. This whole happening
> >> > has many 'rippples-in-time', so to identify a few may be some way of
> >> > feeling-out an understanding of what has happened. The Tech-Bubble was
> >> > a
> >> > major contributing event. When companies were falling over themselves
> >> > to
> >> > invest millions of dollars in ICT infrastructure, Web-based
> >> > technologies, business models that had only red in the bottom line,
> >> > instant millionaires created on false promises etc, WE LOST THE RESPECT
> >> > of the rest of the world. It doesn't matter whose fault it was - the
> >> > fact is that it HAPPENED.
> >> > OK, so much for that pearl of perceptive wisdom. What I would like to
> >> > know is, can anyone else shed light on the CAUSES of the current
> >> > effects
> >> > we are experiencing?
> >> > Over to others!
> >> > Keith Richardson.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:44:25 +1000, "Jim Bunn"
> >> > <bunn.jim.c at edumail.vic.gov.au> said:
> >> >> Thanks Roslyn,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> You paint a rather grim picture for ICT across the state. From where
> >> >> I'm
> >> >> sitting I can only agree with you. The administration at my school has
> >> >> been
> >> >> trying for years to get rid of Junior 7-8 ICT ...sorry, integrate it
> >> >> into
> >> >> other KLAs. With all due respect to our colleagues, the ICT teachers
> >> >> here
> >> >> don't see the ICT skills in very many of our other teachers. It's a
> >> >> good
> >> >> theory, but practically I just don't see it working effectively, at
> >> >> least
> >> >> yet. My cynical view sees some people using ICT time as 'ok kids you
> >> >> have
> >> >> the assignment, here are the computers,' and off the kids go while
> >> >> their
> >> >> teachers mark work or check their email. The end of Junior ICT at this
> >> >> school is inevitable. Other KLACs are already lining up for the extra
> >> >> periods.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> In defence of integrating ICT into other disciplines, someone recently
> >> >> said
> >> >> to me something like, 'Schools used to teach touch typing but who does
> >> >> it
> >> >> now?', as he smartly laughed. A rather smug comment maybe, but I see
> >> >> this
> >> >> same mind set, or perception towards ICT. As a counter argument, one
> >> >> of
> >> >> my
> >> >> Cisco Networking students brings his laptop to class, and during my
> >> >> frequent
> >> >> PowerPoint lectures he sits there, and as he stares at the screen, he
> >> >> madly
> >> >> types away. The other students cannot believe what they see. They
> >> >> stare
> >> >> in
> >> >> amazement. These other students take notes (as you know) by looking at
> >> >> the
> >> >> screen, writing/typing a few words, looking back at the screen, and so
> >> >> on. A
> >> >> touch typist in the classroom is rare and really stands out. Sure
> >> >> these
> >> >> other students can get by, but how much better are they if they have
> >> >> good
> >> >> typing skills. I see the ICT skills that ICT teachers teach being lost
> >> >> as
> >> >> our classes are integrated into other subjects. You've heard the
> >> >> argument
> >> >> before, but here is again: we all are supposed to teach
> >> >> English/literacy
> >> >> skills, so why not integrate English into all the other KLAs? Why not?
> >> >> The
> >> >> logic is the same. Why don't we do it? Because most of us are not
> >> >> trained,
> >> >> or don't have the English skills that an English-trained teacher has.
> >> >> How
> >> >> are ICT skills any different??
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I think I'll forget about all this and have a nice, relaxing two
> >> >> weeks. I
> >> >> hope everyone out there can do the same.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Jim Bunn
> >> >> CCNA CCAI
> >> >> Technology Coordinator
> >> >> Hampton Park Secondary College
> >> >> Victoria Australia
> >> >>
> >> >> bunn.jim.c at edumail.vic.gov.au
> >> >>
> >> >> _____
> >> >>
> >> >> From: yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au
> >> >> [mailto:yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Meadows, Roslyn
> >> >> M
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2005 7:26 PM
> >> >> To: Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List
> >> >> Subject: RE: [Yr7-10it] ICT in the Essential Learning Standards
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks Paula,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Having poured over the documentation, publications, powerpoint
> >> >> presentations, DVD and website since I first saw the VELS booklet last
> >> >> year
> >> >> (and went "oh shock horror!"), I believe that I, like most others on
> >> >> this
> >> >> list, fully understand the gist (and possible implications) of VELS.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> But it is our collective fear that given the opportunity, and an
> >> >> already
> >> >> crowded curriculum, many schools will take the opportunity to hit the
> >> >> delete
> >> >> button on ICT as a separate subject and attempt to integrate it into
> >> >> other
> >> >> subjects - thus freeing up a couple of periods per week in Year 7 and
> >> >> 8,
> >> >> which will then be 'up for grabs' by other KLA's. Being a small
> >> >> learning
> >> >> area (3 teachers at BSC) we will rarely have the 'numbers' in the vote
> >> >> that
> >> >> may or may not take place (in our school it will be a decision made by
> >> >> the
> >> >> principal). And sometimes these school based decisions are not made on
> >> >> educational merits alone, but are more influenced by peoples' personal
> >> >> agendas, which members of staff are on the committee that makes the
> >> >> decision, the lobbying by some and the personalities of the lobbiers.
> >> >> It's
> >> >> all a matter of politics really! I have seen this happen numerous
> >> >> times
> >> >> in
> >> >> my years of teaching.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> In the previous emails to these lists which describe the experiences
> >> >> of
> >> >> other schools who have already tried to integrate ICT, the ICT
> >> >> teachers
> >> >> were
> >> >> overwhelmingly disappointed in the outcome.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The standards that each student must attain are in the VELS
> >> >> documentation,
> >> >> but who will be following this up to make sure that these standards
> >> >> are
> >> >> met?
> >> >> Will the VELS watch dogs be at every school to make sure that ICT
> >> >> skills
> >> >> are
> >> >> being learned? What will happen in a couple of years time once Maths
> >> >> or
> >> >> SOSE
> >> >> have gained these extra periods each week - will the ICT component of
> >> >> their
> >> >> course eventually be watered down to the bare minimum, or even less?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> And how can an English, SOSE, Maths or Science teacher with little or
> >> >> no
> >> >> interest in ICT (and perhaps little or no ICT knowledge or skills)
> >> >> replace
> >> >> an enthusiastic ICT teacher who has the knowledge, interest and the
> >> >> experience teaching these skills? I am sorry but I see ICT skills as
> >> >> being
> >> >> much more relevant to today's students than, for example - what food
> >> >> ancient egyptians ate or what they wore (the subject of a Year 7
> >> >> history
> >> >> assignment that consumed many hours of cutting out, colouring in, and
> >> >> drawing pictures that my daughter had to complete)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> As an aside - I did a brief 'hands up' survey earlier this week of
> >> >> two
> >> >> year
> >> >> 8 classes on "What is your favourite subject?" Only 3 subjects got a
> >> >> guernsey - ICT, Sport and Art - with the overwhelming majority
> >> >> choosing
> >> >> ICT.
> >> >> (They have studied databases, web design, flash and image manipulation
> >> >> this
> >> >> semester - all of which has been put into the context of real world
> >> >> and
> >> >> relevant situations - thanks Greg Bowden for your text and CD ROM).
> >> >> Perhaps
> >> >> this is a reflection of my enthusiasm for the subject (one would like
> >> >> to
> >> >> think so), perhaps it is because they are always so engaged that there
> >> >> is
> >> >> never any misbehaviour (and one of these classes has a number of
> >> >> 'difficult'
> >> >> students, which makes life rather tedious for the other 'good' kids),
> >> >> perhaps it is because they just love sitting at a computer. How will
> >> >> the
> >> >> kids feel if you take ICT away and give them an extra period of say,
> >> >> Maths
> >> >> and SOSE each week?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> So I continue to ask "Has VELS got it wrong?" (By even considering
> >> >> giving
> >> >> schools a chance to integrate ICT across the curriculum) And I still
> >> >> strongly believe that ICT should be up there with the big four
> >> >> (English,
> >> >> SOSE, Maths, Science). And I don't believe that it can be successfully
> >> >> integrated across the curriculum. It should not be considered just as
> >> >> a
> >> >> tool
> >> >> to be used in other areas of learning - as in
> >> >>
> >> >> "...students will apply ICT knowledge and skills to:
> >> >>
> >> >> * develop understandings (ICT for visualising thinking)
> >> >>
> >> >> * demonstrate understandings (ICT for creating)
> >> >>
> >> >> * share understandings (ICT for communicating)
> >> >>
> >> >> in other areas of learning." (my underlining)
> >> >>
> >> >> Millions of people around the world are employed in the ICT and
> >> >> related
> >> >> industries, compared to the number of people employed in, for example,
> >> >> history or art related industries. Yet history is considered important
> >> >> enough to warrant 3 periods per week for one semester for 4 years,
> >> >> (about
> >> >> 240 periods) whereas ICT gets 2 periods per week for 1.5 years, (about
> >> >> 100
> >> >> periods) - and may lose this. ICT should be considered as a learning
> >> >> area
> >> >> on its own; it should not just be considered a tool to be used in
> >> >> other
> >> >> learning areas.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry to bore you all - I feel quite strongly about this.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Keep smiling everyone - holidays are just about upon us!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Ros Meadows
> >> >>
> >> >> Bentleigh SC
> >> >>
> >> >> 9579 1044
> >> >>
> >> >> <mailto:meadows.roslyn.m at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> >> >> meadows.roslyn.m at edumail.vic.gov.au
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> _____
> >> >>
> >> >> From: yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Christophersen,
> >> >> Paula
> >> >> P
> >> >> Sent: Thu 23/06/2005 4:31 PM
> >> >> To: IPM List; Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing
> >> >> List
> >> >> Subject: [Yr7-10it] ICT in the Essential Learning Standards
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear colleagues
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Lately there has been some discussion about the 'interdisciplinary'
> >> >> nature
> >> >> of the ICT domain and its status in the Essential Learning Standards.
> >> >> Being
> >> >> a member of the Interdisciplinary Learning strand does not preclude
> >> >> ICT
> >> >> from
> >> >> being offered as a dedicated subject. Being interdisciplinary means
> >> >> that
> >> >> in
> >> >> their learning, students will apply ICT knowledge and skills to:
> >> >>
> >> >> * develop understandings (ICT for visualising thinking)
> >> >>
> >> >> * demonstrate understandings (ICT for creating)
> >> >>
> >> >> * share understandings (ICT for communicating)
> >> >>
> >> >> in other areas of learning.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> How they actually acquire these knowledge and skills is up to the
> >> >> school.
> >> >> For example, the locus of learning may be in a dedicated ICT subject
> >> >> where
> >> >> students would develop/acquire ICT knowledge and skills using
> >> >> authentic
> >> >> data
> >> >> and information pertaining to other domains. OR, other schools may
> >> >> construct
> >> >> a learning environment where the acquisition and application of ICT
> >> >> knowledge and skills occurs in non-ICT classes. The choice is yours.
> >> >> The
> >> >> Essential Learning Standards document does not mandate how students
> >> >> will
> >> >> acquire the ICT knowledge and skills, but it does state the standards
> >> >> that
> >> >> must be demonstrated at progressive levels of learning.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm very happy to respond to any queries you may have regarding this
> >> >> matter.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Paula Christophersen
> >> >>
> >> >> ICT Curriculum Manager
> >> >>
> >> >> VCAA
> >> >>
> >> >> 41 St Andrews Place
> >> >>
> >> >> EAST MELBOURNE 3002
> >> >>
> >> >> (03) 9651 4378
> >> >>
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> >> > IPM List Moderator
> >> > Head of ICT, Leibler Yavneh College
> >> > Elsternwick
> >> > Ph: 03.9528.4911
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