[English] expected qualities
mccurryj at netspace.net.au
mccurryj at netspace.net.au
Tue Jul 10 19:44:14 EST 2012
is everybody sure that the 'low discrepancy rate' is necessarily a
good thing...
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Hi Russell,
I think the point of the phrase is that the weaker students will
often go off into tangents separating their exploration of
the iissues from the text itself; so for example a _Year of
Wonders_ response might wander off into a discussion of the plague
in general terms, say, how many were killed in London, which
is irrelevant to the text which is set (apparently) in Eyam an
isolated small village well away from London. The student
themselves may think they are meeting the wider implications criteria,
but they are not addressing the text. The phrase which worries you
is a reminder to the Assessors that these discussions need to be in a
context which has a substantial link to the content of the text.
(Remember that these criteria are not the ones given on the exam paper
but intended for the assessors -- a process I think is somewhat
duplicitous ... but that is another issue altogether)
You should also consider that the assessors make 'on balance'
decisions in a process which is holistic marking, ie markers don't
tick off criteria as such, but use them as a guide for their marking.
An experienced assessor will use these criteria to differentiate
scripts, but two responses may receive the same marks although the
degree to which they meet each of the stated criteria may show greater
strength in one area over another when compared one to the other. It
sounds complex, but English has a very low discrepancy rate
(assessors disagreeing)
Gail
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SUBJECT: Re: [English] expected qualities
Hello Julie and thanks for your response... I don’t have an
issue with the key words you identify... though I have a nagging
feeling that the phrase “ from the basis of the text” is
redundant. I mean the exam topic itself invariably refers to the
text. Unless it’s referring to something else, I don’t
understand why it’s there. Also your point about “understanding
the text in the wider world”... isn't this a C&P feature rather than
a R&R one? My understanding of an R&R response is that it deals with
the world of the text, not real world elements... I also wonder what
is meant by “an appropriate strategy for dealing with it” ... ie
the topic; and why marks below 8 don’t need a strategy, appropriate
or otherwise. From your point of view what would such an appropriate
strategy be? Perhaps others also have thoughts on this? Thanks
again, Russell FROM: Julie [1] SENT: Monday, July 09,
2012 8:50 PM TO: VCE English Teachers' Mailing List [2] CC:
mailto:english at edulists.com.au [3] SUBJECT: Re: [English] expected
qualities Hi Russell, The key words in this description, for
me, are: 'implications', 'exploring' and 'complexity'. The thinking
associated with these words is quite sophisticated. While we hope
that all students respond 'from the basis of the text' it is usually
clear that the best responses take the ideas so much further. The
basic response 'describes' the ideas in the topic while the best
response moves way beyond this and understands the text in the wider
world. It is hard to explain but when you see the difference in
student responses the difference is more obvious.
Regards, Julie Squires
On 09/07/2012, at 12:42 PM, wrote:
HI I’M LOOKING AT THE 2011 EXPECTED QUALITIES (READING AND
RESPONDING) FOR EXAM MARKERS AND WONDER WHAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND BY THE
TERM... “DEMONSTRATES AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE
TOPIC...EXPLORING ITS COMPLEXITY FROM THE BASIS OF THE TEXT.” I
NOTE THAT THIS EXPECTED QUALITY IS ONLY REFERRED TO IN THE 8-10 MARK
RANGE. ONE WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT MOST STUDENTS WOULD USE THE TEXT
AS THE BASIS FOR THEIR RESPONSE; OR AM I MISSING THE POINT...?
HTTP://WWW.VCAA.VIC.EDU.AU/VCE/STUDIES/ENGLISH/2008ENG-CRIT-DESCRIPTORS.PDF
[5] RUSSELL FROM: Lorraine Paul [6] SENT: Sunday, July
08, 2012 7:58 PM TO: english at edulists.com.au [7] SUBJECT: Re:
[English] VCE English Teachers and Coordinators
Thanks Mary. I teach in an independent school. It's nice when you
have forums like this. All the best!
Lorraine
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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 09:21:46 +1000
Subject: Re: [English] VCE English Teachers and Coordinators
Lorraine - I’m sorry. You need to have an edumail address to access
the site. You can be a crt teacher or an employee in a state school.
Mary
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[mailto:english-bounces at edulists.com.au] ON BEHALF OF Lorraine Paul
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Hello Mary,
Is this open only to State School Teachers ?
Lorraine !
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:58:49 +1000
From: mcclenaghan.douglas.j at edumail.vic.gov.au [12]
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Subject: Re: [English] VCE English Teachers and Coordinators
Hello Mary
Yes, I am certainly interested in this. Sign me up.
Yours
Douglas McClenaghan
>>> Mary Mason 7/06/2012 11:13 AM >>>
Dear VCE teachers
I am working with a group for the Department of Education on
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