[elearning] Query on iPad research

Sat Sep 8 09:04:22 EST 2012

Hi folks,

 I know we agree it is the learning and not the device that matters. Some
devices do not allow particular learning to take place at present unless
other strategies are found such as remote desktop to alternate
devices/machines. Has an audit been done to cover this as schools consider
their decisions ?
In addition, in our discussion I think we are focussed on elearning across
the board.    How about specialist subjects such as IT, Vis Com, Multimedia
authoring ?

I know there are schools that are for example iPad Yr 7 - 12 or even P - 12.
How are they delivering the curriculum to these specialist subjects ?
If we are talking about sending these students to labs or even building more
labs ( forward to the 1990s ) what happens to the 24/7 anytime anywhere
delivery model ?

In endorsing what Trudy has said I would quote Stephen Heppell from
http://www.johnconnell.co.uk/blog/?p=2247 
" As Stephen Heppell noted in his preface to ICT, Ped-a-gogy, and the
Curriculum: Subject to change: 
..we continually make the error of subjugating technology to our present
practice rather than allowing it to free us from the tyranny of past
mistakes. "

The hard part is the rationale, the mapping, the justification of new
practices against actual learning, higher order thinking and achievement
rather than engagement, collaboration and ICT rich environments for their
own sake. Some of this falls into the rhetoric of the education improvement
industry without understanding the learning.  How do we know we are learning
? There are standards and performance criteria we measure against at every
level in every subject. 

A number of the references I have enumerated in
http://delicious.com/kkrozian cover this distinction between good and bad
elearning.

Kind Regards

Kevork Krozian
Edulists Creator Administrator
www.edulists.com.au
tel: 0419 356 034

-----Original Message-----
From: elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Brentnall, Trudy J
Sent: Saturday, 8 September 2012 8:22 AM
To: elearning Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [elearning] Query on iPad research

Very interesting discussion Brett that I tend to agree with.

With the right pedagogy it doesn't matter which tool is used. Either tool
provides the opportunity for great learning by:
- allowing students to connect globally to add authenticity to their work by
pursuing real world issues and areas of interest
- providing a device for personalised learning and hence high engagement
- providing a student choice of multimedia to explore, research, think,
synthesise, analyse, evaluate, communicate and express ideas in high
quality products     - providing a means of expressing their ideas
opinions, arguments and evidence-based reasoning collaboratively.

The challenge occurs when teachers teach in the old ways using these tools
- trying to force the tool to fit last century's classrooms and curriculum
design.

Kind regards,

Trudy Brentnall

On 7/09/12 11:39 AM, "Groves, Brett G" <groves.brett.g at edumail.vic.gov.au>
wrote:

>The data that came back from our recent research with users is that 
>there is a schism between device expectations, not only for staff but 
>for students. It's incredibly marked, there are basically two camps, 
>Laptop and iPad. In truth both are fantastic devices for what they do, 
>the iPad supporters are correct as are the laptop supporters and in 
>both camps the detractors are correct. Part of the issue is an 
>awakening to what potential ICT really has in a classroom, in a mind 
>even. And the realisation that the church is so broad that no one 
>format device is going to suit everything asked of it.
>
>What else would we expect in a realm of close to infinite choice?
>
>Choice is the answer, as educators we need to stop concentrating, IMHO, 
>on the process to reach the end result and allow students the freedom, 
>with guidance and support, to find that route for themselves. We need 
>to stop specifying the output of our assessments and instead 
>concentrate on the results. "Effectively communicate this concept to 
>this class" versus "make a PowerPoint that explains this..."  as a somewhat
facile example.
>
>We need to make not only our content device agnostic but the  learning 
>experiences we create. This biggest barrier to this is not the device 
>but rather a deep understanding from educators of the ideas 
>underpinning assessment, metacognition, deconstruction, reconstruction, 
>scaffolding, intelligent risk taking etc etc. In short great educators 
>will leverage their understanding of how humans learn and encourage 
>students to use whatever is at hand, exactly as it should be.
>
>Moving away from classrooms that rely on an accountancy of compliance 
>toward a culture of real world based outcomes is the first step. Take 
>that and the device, provided it meets the minimum of utility is of 
>little concern.
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>Brett Groves
>ICT Manager
>Croydon Maroondah College
>Croydon Campus
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au 
>[mailto:elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Antoinette 
>Siarabalos
>Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 11:12 AM
>To: elearning Teachers' Mailing List
>Cc: elearning Teachers' Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [elearning] Query on iPad research
>
>This is a very timely discussion now happing at my school, Emmaus 
>college. So I appreciate everyone's thoughts here and agree with the 
>advantages of having such a mobile device in 7-9. However, there are 
>challenges with creation of many tasks with the iPad. I don't like the 
>2 finger typing situation on iPad when I am a touch typist. Let's face 
>it there are still tasks that are better suited to laptops or desktops. 
>So I guess my question is if schools are now going in the direction of 
>iPads , what planning is there for high end creation tasks? Upgrading 
>labs, laptop trolleys?
>Granted they may not be used as often but they will still be needed. 
>This comment is obviously not directed to schools that have laptop 
>programs in place.
>Also of you had written a strategic plan for ict 2 years, my guess is, 
>it would now be obsolete.
>Interesting times ahead for all in this never ending changing landscape.
>Regards,
>Antoinette
>
>
>Thank you
>Antoinette Siarabalos
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On 06/09/2012, at 5:23 PM, Roland Gesthuizen <rgesthuizen at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> I recall Richard Olson during an Edtech Crew podcast noted that we 
>> need to be keenly aware that student needs will eventually shift 
>> towards more powerful devices. My thinking was that by VCE some would 
>> eventually decide to use more powerful laptops. Each could pick what 
>> would best suits their study, needs or budget .. or perhaps to not 
>> pick one. I can imagine that many could still rely on their old 
>> junior school iPad (or smart phone) for mLearning, personal 
>> organisation and reading etc. I like how this NZ school is handling 
>> it. There are others I can dig up and share if you like.
>>     
>> http://www.kristin.school.nz/web/portal/ict-services/digital-learning
>> -
>> programmes
>> 
>> If we accept that different streams of students at the senior levels 
>> will have different needs, we should not try to resolve this with a 
>> single package to fix and accept that in the following year, we 
>> should have prepared them for the digital citizenship and 
>> independence of learning and working whilst away from a single corporate
network.
>> Maybe the iPads presents us with the right timing and opportunity to 
>> finally allow students to manage their devices and develop their 
>> skills as independent and responsible learners if they eventually 
>> step up to their own powerful device.
>>     http://ipadeducators.ning.com/profiles/blogs/device-control
>> 
>> Regards Roland
>> 
>> On 5 September 2012 22:47, Kevork Krozian <kevork at edulists.com.au>
>>wrote:
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> 
>>> A typo below. Unanimous choice for learning, studying and 
>>> interacting by the Yr 12s was the laptop/MacBook. None favoured the
iPad.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kevork Krozian
>>> Edulists Creator Administrator
>>> www.edulists.com.au
>>> tel: 0419 356 034
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au 
>>> [mailto:elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork 
>>> Krozian
>
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