[elearning] [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools

Mon Nov 15 21:04:45 EST 2010

Hi Kerrie

I'd like to read your paper on implementing e-texts

Kind regards

Luke Molan
Mallacoota P12 College

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Smith, Kerrie <kerrie.smith at esa.edu.au>wrote:

>  It all basically comes down to what you want the device to do – be a
> dedicated e-reader, or a multi-function device
>
> Even as a multi-function device, the iPad really doesn’t replace a computer
> that has so much more functionality.
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> Most of the devices really work best in the hands of one person.
>
> I just don’t think we are ready to replace textbooks with iPads – my
> impression is that the publishing world certainly isn’t ready.
>
> Problems of loaning textbooks have not yet been solved.
>
>
>
> If we are talking about a dedicated e-reader then there is a lot of choice,
> and there will be even more on the market in the coming months.
>
> Where and how you are going to get your e-books are certainly questions to
> be resolved.
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>
>
> Before anything drastic is done what is seriously needed is teachers who
> have devices themselves and have developed a wealth of experience in their
> use (not just a passing “isn’t this nice” acquaintance) and who can then
> lead the implementation in their school.
>
> Be aware that whatever device you choose (be it iPad, Kobo, Kindle, Sony,
> Quokka or more) other brands will appear in your classrooms bought by
> parents who are either well meaning or who think the school made the wrong
> choice. Teachers are going to need a lot of help in implementation.
>
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>
> If you are interested in a paper I have written on what we need to do in
> order to implement e-texts then let me know and I will email it to you.
>
> You might also be interested in discussing in your school a couple of
> Prezis that I’ve created
>
> When you access this one
> http://prezi.com/rh-tymtnli2g/e-books-state-of-play-barriers-challenges/you’ll see others.
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> Regards
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> Kerrie
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> Kerrie Smith
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> *From:* elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Roland Gesthuizen
> *Sent:* Monday, 15 November 2010 11:40 AM
>
> *To:* elearning Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [elearning] [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools
>
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> If it is just an eBook reader, a class set of Kindles is worth a look over.
> Cheaper than an iPad.
>
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>
> Kerry Smith from Education.au has a discussion group about these devices on
> EDNA.
>
> http://www.groups.edna.edu.au/course/view.php?id=2497
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> Regards Roland
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:29 AM, David Eddie <deddie at sjcmda.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
> I have begun to investigate this area as well. The English Domain leader
> here asked last week could she purchase some iPads for the students who
> receive Literacy support. They would not be an "individual device for each
> student" solution and I can't see that they would be the best alternative.
>
> I would certainly like to be involved in some way in studying which of
> these devices, and as you mentioned there seem to be a plethora being
> developed, will be most suitable and useful.
>
> David Eddie
> VCAL Co-ordinator / eLearning Co-ordinator
> St Joseph's College MILDURA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Howard, David
> Sent: Sunday, 14 November 2010 10:26 PM
> To: elearning Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [elearning] [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools
>
> We are looking at possibilities for the future of computing in the
> classroom. Although the iPad has taken the world by storm, in my opinion it
> isn't that great.
>
> Students who have them struggle with video formats and flash websites. Also
> for learning most of the apps are based at the junior level.
>
> I am interested in looking into devices which are portable, i.e. more
> portable than a laptop (yes good english, more portable, I mean tablets,
> slates etc), and there seems to be a plethora of them coming onto the
> market. Devices which run android or win 7 look more appealing especially as
> the school is already running a heavily windows biased network, although
> many apps such as Synergetic (which we use for our DB) are becoming
> available through browsers. I tend to think this will happen more so. My
> prediction is that within 2 years a large amount of our applications will
> become browser based therefor doing away with the restriction of which OS we
> are running. However this said, I think it is far too early to dive in and
> roll out iPads throughout whole year levels. I personally think some schools
> have done it for publicity. (shock horror).
>
> I don't mind the notion of trialling iPads in libraries but rolling them
> out as a solution across the school seems ludicrous.
>
> Anyway, next year I will be doing a study into the for mentioned devices.
> If anyone wants to help out or be involved, let me know.
>
> David Howard
> St Michaels Grammar School
>
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> From: elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au [elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen [rgesthuizen at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 14 November 2010 10:06 PM
> To: elearning Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [elearning] [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools
>
> Many reckon that Adobe have already quietly given up on Flash and are
> preparing behnd the scenes the HTML5 export for their applications. You may
> notice that websites such as Matheletics can now easily just as easily be
> accessed on the iPad or even on smart phones such as the iPhone. Many video
> websites now work on iPhones (not all but those that don't are slowly
> evaporating) .. even whilst google makes use of Flash for street view, they
> are one of the big champions to push for the early adoption of the subset of
> HTML5.
>
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Adobe-Flash-CS5-Can-Export-to-HTML5-Canvas-139597.shtml
>
> I don't have flash turned on my desktop and really, dont miss it all that
> much. You can suggest to your eLearing team that they do the same as it will
> help nail down this behaviour. We deploy Safari without flash on all the
> desktops so users dont have to second guess what works with flash and what
> does not, they can just test their link in another browser.
>
> It is also worth read the thinking behind this from Steve Jobs at Apple and
> the opinion of Microsoft.
>     http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/microsoft-weighs-in-the-future-of-the-web-is-html5/
>
> http://hothardware.com/News/Microsofts-Take-On-Flash-HTML5-Is-The-Future-But-Well-Support-Adobe/
>
> My personal take on this is that the it is that there is a good case to be
> made for open standards such as HTML5. We have seen this before when sites
> started playing about with fancy browser features such as layers, Just a
> matter of time ..
>
> Regards Roland
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Kevork Krozian <K.Krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
> <mailto:K.Krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Sorry for cross posting but very topical for our elearning colleagues ...
> I have spoken to 3 schools who are doing just this, Ipads at year 7 and
> when I raise these concerns with Flash and Java not running I get a blank
> stare.
> Is there anyone out there who has considered the issues and found a
> resolution/workaround or other approach apart from html5 will solve all the
> problems which may or may not happen and may or may not take 3 to 5 years
> ....
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
> Kevork
>
> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>] On Behalf Of Don Morelli (Optus)
> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 6:45 PM
> To: 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools
>
> The decision has been made Allison which is unfortunate for your school as
> not only does the iPad not support Flash but it also does not support Java.
> So you can't run java apps like Geogebra in Maths, which is worth its weight
> in gold. There are many programs that teachers use to help students to
> understand concepts in particular learning areas that are not about
> communication, collaboration and research (some of the web 2.0 stuff). These
> will not run on the iPad. It will be interesting to see how much of the
> "cloud computing software " will run on it without problems.  Try running
> Mathletics and I think that you will have a problem with that as well.  I am
> sure that in the next year or so things will change, but the range of
> activities that you can carry out on the iPad now, that have educational
> value is limited.
> Good luck in trying to develop a curriculum-at least it is only year 7
> Cheers Don
>
> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>] On Behalf Of Allison KENINS
> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 6:00 PM
> To: sofdev at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools
>
> Hi All
>
> Sorry for not being specific to Software Development.
> My school is introducing iPads to our incoming year 7's and throwing out
> the textbooks in all subjects. As my other method is maths and this is a
> concern to a few of the other teachers, I was wondering if anyone else's
> school is doing something similar and wanting to know what you think. Major
> concern for us is that we use lots of websites that are Flash based and
> therefore wont work (as far as I've been told) and we now need to redevelop
> our year 7 curriculum before the start of next year.
>
> Any comments would be welcome.
>
> Allison
> Ringwood Secondary College
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