[elearning] [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?

Tue Dec 21 19:33:27 EST 2010

G"day Kevork,

We were told we could buy iPads under the NSSCF funding .. not sure if this
is because we are an iPad pilot school. Odd, maybe the advice hasnt trickled
down or website updated. Its that time of the year with many waiting to meet
the new minister etc. This term break we are decking out our admin team with
the 3G models. You will be surprised by the list of schools about to kick
this off at the start of next year.

I agree that tablet computers have some content creation limitations (just
give it time) but they hit a six for many of the things that netbooks try to
do. The iPad is no netbook killer but I am increasingly convinced that it is
a much better classroom fit including huge 10 hour battery life, small size,
instant on (and off), intuitive interface and centralised software
repository (ala Ubuntu)
(reference<http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=5763&tag=content;leftCol>
)

Here is an interesting observation. At a glance I can see what students are
doing on their iPads and for them to swing or pass the units around to
eyeball. An interesting addon I have seen a protective case that doubles as
a stand or wirelss keyboard .. cute :-)

Regards Roland

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Hutchison, Geoffrey G <
hutchison.geoffrey.g at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:

> Clearly the federal government considers iPads acceptable to purchase under
> NSSCF funding, but the Vic government doesn’t. That means private schools in
> Vic can buy iPads with NSSCF funds, but government schools can’t.
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> Control for control’s sake.
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>
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> Again.
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> And don’t get me started on the requirement to buy from the “Panel”.
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>
> cheers,
>
> Geoff Hutchison,
>
> IT Manager/Coordinator,
>
> McGuire College,
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> Shepparton, Vic
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> 03 5858 9800
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> *From:* elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> elearning-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Kevork Krozian
> *Sent:* Friday, 10 December 2010 12:20 PM
>
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Cc:* elearning Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [elearning] [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
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>
>  This may be topical as I thought Ipads are considered to be computers
> under NSSCF funding , but apparently they are not.
>
> The email below ( at the bottom by Andrew Weir ) suggests DEEWR considers
> Ipads as computers for NSSCF funding, but the following suggests it is not (
> https://edugate.eduweb.vic.gov.au/Services/IT/ITSupport/Lists/NSSCF%20FAQs/DispForm.aspx?ID=38&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fedugate%2Eeduweb%2Evic%2Egov%2Eau%2FServices%2FIT%2FITSupport%2FPages%2FNSSCF%2Easpx) – need an edumail account to view the link :
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>
> *Question*
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> Can schools purchase Apple iPads using funds provided through the NSSCF?
>
> *Answer*
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> No.
>
> The iPad is not an approved device on DEECD's purchasing panels as the iPad
> does not support the eduSTAR standard operating environment which includes
> more than 60 teaching and learning applications and tools.
>
> DEECD is undertaking an iPad trial for middle year levels in 8 Victorian
> Government schools to evaluate the potential of the iPad as a learning tool.
> The DEECD iPad Trial will be conducted over the next 18 months and research
> results will inform any future technology directions that can enhance
> teaching and learning outcomes.
>
> *Category*
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> Purchasing
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>
> Where are we at with this ?
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>
> Kind Regards
>
>
>
> Kevork Krozian
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> Digital Learning Manager
>
> Forest Hill College
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> www.fhc.vic.edu.au
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> tel: 0419 356 034
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>
>
> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *WEIR Andrew
> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 August 2010 9:54 AM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?
>
>
>
> Mark,
>
> (See below my rant)
>
> This was a statement circulated to the CEO schools. (At the end of my bit)
>
> We looked at the ipad; they are a nice media consumption device but we were
> a bit concerned about getting data on and off the device IE USB
> connectivity, student file space and printing.
>
> Also word processors and presentation tools are not included in the package
> so we had to add another Approx $40 to the cost of the device to purchase
> those apps, I am not sure about site and volume licensing from apple for
> ipad apps.
>
> I know things like Google docs could replace the need for the apps such as
> pages, but with the wireless running at all times battery life gets
> shortened and the ipad does not charge from a standard charger, it actually
> requires a 1 amp usb port and I believe most computers max out a 500 –
> 700ma. So the availability and OHS requirements for the power need to be
> considered.
>
> There was also the issue of support and Jail Braking. There are pro’s and
> cons for custom OS and other things but what then happens to the security of
> the network. Should schools support devices that have been jail broken and
> how can we stop students Jail braking the device especially if we let them
> take the devices home.
>
>
>
> From a LOTE, Humanities and to some point English point of view we did find
> some major benefits and have not ruled out purchasing two class sets but as
> the main stream student device we are not totally convinced of version 1 of
> the ipad. Let’s see what apple says for second generation.
>
> Some of the pro’s were ITunes university, Ipad books especially Shakespeare
> and other novels.
>
> Also at this point we are actually taking a step back from technology and
> really look at the curriculum so that it is supported and enhanced by
> whatever “device” we choose.
>
> Anyway this is only just the opinion of a teacher getting over a bad dose
> of flu. So happy to see a healthy discussion.
>
> Andrew
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>
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> *****************************************************************
>
> *iPad*
>
> Many schools have also asked if the new iPad would be approved as a
> ‘computer’ under the DER
>
> funding. Initially, the advice from DEEWR was that it was not eligible.
> However, the following advice was
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> received by us on 23 June:
>
> *Many of you have sought advice about whether the new Apple iPad meets
> eligibility requirements*
>
> *under the National Secondary School Computer Fund. I would like to advise
> that DEEWR*
>
> *considers that the iPad does meet the existing definitions of an eligible
> computer device under*
>
> *the Fund. An iPad is a particular type of tablet computer and these have
> been considered as*
>
> *eligible devices since the implementation of the Fund in 2008.*
>
> *A tablet, including the iPad, allows users to input information via
> QWERTY typing, it runs word*
>
> *processing and other efficiency applications and it provides a means of
> accessing information*
>
> *from the Internet. The major difference between a tablet and a
> conventional laptop is that the*
>
> *keyboard is a software generated function on a screen rather than a
> physical object. The iPad*
>
> *runs different applications from other laptops.*
>
> *In summary, DEEWR considers that the iPad, as a tablet, can be purchased
> under the Fund but*
>
> *it is a matter for education authorities/schools to decide if the
> application suite on an iPad meets*
>
> *the educational needs of their students.*
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>
>
>
>
> *Andrew Weir*
>
> Information Technology Co-ordinator
>
> Thomas Carr College
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>
>        <http://www.thomascarr.vic.edu.au>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Mark KELLY
> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 August 2010 9:08 AM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?
>
>
>
> A poser just occurred to me as I plan budgets for next year: if we buy
> iPads, would they count as *computers* in the annual school ICT inventory
> (and therefore count towards DEECD's planned 1:1 ratio of year 9-12 students
> per computer)?
>
> --
> Mark Kelly
> Manager - Information Systems; Reporting Manager
> McKinnon Secondary College
> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
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