[elearning] RE: [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs/Parallel thinking
Roland Gesthuizen
rgesthuizen at gmail.com
Fri Jun 20 21:50:51 EST 2008
I am avoiding a reply on the ITA list where this topic has been done to
death.
You can run both. Most of our open source software is cross platform so
we will add versions to both the Windows and MacOS partitions. Easy
peasy and the mark of good software. :-)
Regards Roland
ARNOTT Suz wrote:
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> OK... I have a year to wait before my next computer... but having been
> thrown that red rag of being told we are not allowed to... well I am
> going to do my homework to see about getting one....
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> My question - If it runs on a windows platform do I need to get Mac
> software?? Or will it run windows versions?
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> This discussion is also happening on other threads...eLearning had
> this comment from Roland Gesthuizen....I hope he doesn't mind me
> reposting it here J
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> With the current round of notebooks for DEECD teaching staff, and
> after many years teaching VCE IT with Toshiba, ACER, IBM and then
> Levono laptops, I have decided to opt for the Apple notebook option.
> Last week I was really impressed with a colleague running Parallels
> who was able to seamlessly switch between OSX to XP applications (or
> Ubuntu Linux) using a little used feature called Coherence.
> link to a blog entry with details about this feature
> <http://lifehacker.com/software/parallels/hack-attack-how-to-run-windows-and-mac-apps-sidebyside-with-parallels-221002.php>
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> It didn't really matter what operating system we use .. shift happens.
> I saw this myself at the VITTA conference last year after a day long
> session demonstrating programming with Python in the Apple lab. It
> didn't matter. A lighter weight and better design are also factors I
> am considering .. bluetooth, perhaps Apple iPhone integration??
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> With due dignity to all users and systems, I do not wish to turn this
> into a mac / windows flame or debate about incremental advantages.
> Jokes about one or two button mice mean nothing when both systems plug
> and play just about anything you throw at them.
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> Somebody once described this to me as how we learn to play chess. It
> doesn't matter if your pieces are made of finely crafted glass or
> bottle tops. It doesn't matter if the chess board is made of ivory or
> newspaper. What matters more is the game that you play.
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> Is anybody thinking along the same path?
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> Regards Roland
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> --
> Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College
> http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au
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> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Meadows, Roslyn M
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 June 2008 2:37 PM
> *To:* VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* RE: [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs
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> I agree totally Rob -- in fact our school tech, (and therefore it was
> officially endorsed by the Principal) refused to support macs and
> anyone who got a mac was "on their own". Which is partly the reason I
> got one -- so that hopefully I could give the staff who had got the
> older iBook in previous rollouts some support (and many just chose the
> mac because it came with a free iPod)
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> Luckily we were given a department TSO for a couple of days a week who
> is completely relaxed and at home with both operating systems.
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> If your techs refuse to support macs then they should get one and
> become familiar with it. Or retire! Anyone who takes on the job of a
> tech should realize that they will constantly have to renew their
> knowledge and skills. For that matter they should be acquainting
> themselves with Linux also - surely as techs they should be fascinated
> and want to learn everything new? (or is that just a teacher
> behavior?) The operating systems are NOT that different, it is just
> like travelling to another country, the flavours of the food are a
> little different, but it is exciting to taste them!
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> Good luck to all those who wish to make the move to macs -- you will
> be blessed, as I have been!!!
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> Cheers
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> Ros
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> *From:* vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Rob Swain
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 June 2008 12:54 PM
> *To:* VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* RE: [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs
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> I can sit silent no longer...
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> Those techs are providing PC-assistance, not true technical assistance
> then - which is presumably their mantra.
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> When will those guys stop putting their heads in the sand and wake up
> to the fact that Macs and PCs are **BOTH **real world solutions used
> by real industry to assist in real work for which we are preparing
> students. It 'erks' me when so called IT experts explain that they
> cant support teachnology from a $77 billion company with the world's
> hottest consumer brand. If our design (and other) students are going
> to be prepared for this IT-oriented world, they need to be able to use
> both platforms interchangebly --- a lesson that many of these techs
> clearly have not learnt themselves.
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> Part of the problem is that techs hold a position of 'expert' within
> the decision making processes of schools and learning institutions -
> so when some say it simply "cant be done", they are believed. What
> they should be saying is "they dont know **how** it can be done" as
> clearly it can be (as one list member has already reported).
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> There will always be 'died in the wool' enthusiasts who clearly sit in
> one camp or the other, but you would hope that a techs responses were
> based more on professional expertise than subjective leanings. They
> are making decisions about infrastructure - and infrastructure should
> support multiple players, in multiple settings and with multiple
> tools. Imagine a road network that only 'supported' Holdens or just
> Japanese imports - you get the idea.
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> In any case the two platforms are becoming closer (ala the Intel chip
> in an iMac) and it will be interesting to see where this convergence
> leads. That is another discussion for another time, but it does call
> into question the whole 'one camp or the other' approach.
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> The modern worker operates and innovates in a ICT world where ideally
> 'everyone can play' regardless of individual equipment specs
> (including platform) - this world is not coming, it already exists.
> Students should be prepared for it and not limited by the narrow
> prejudiced views of so called experts.
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> OK, I'm getting worked up now and I really do acknowledge that there
> are some complex technical issues that technical staff need to handle
> here, but my point is that the convenient 'knee-jerk' decision is not
> always the correct decision.
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> Time to get off the soapbox
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> -- Rob
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> *From:* vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of ARNOTT Suz
> *Sent:* Wed 18-Jun-08 11:13 AM
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> *Subject:* RE: [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs
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> We have been told by our techs not to choose a mac, as they can not
> support it
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> Bit sad L
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> We are an all PC school
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> Suzanne Arnott
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> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *geoffadcock
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:09 AM
> *To:* VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* [vet-mm] RE: Dual Boot Macs
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> Hi Jacquie
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> Primarily we are a PC school.
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> We have a Lab of Macs running VM FusionWare to enable Windows XP.
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> I would not recommend it at all, it really is a disaster over a
> network. Our tech guys are trying to find something that will better
> serve the school but have yet to find a suitable solution.
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> Geoff Adcock
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> Girton Grammar
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> *From:* vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Tinkler, Jacquie J
> *Sent:* Monday, 16 June 2008 4:03 PM
> *To:* VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* [vet-mm] Dual Boot Macs
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> Hi List members, this is not strictly a MM question, but I am guessing
> a few of you may have Macs...
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> I have an ancient IBM Thinkpad (as some of you will I guess) and was
> wondering how those of you with Macs went with the Mac/Windows Dual
> boot and/or Emulator are going. I would love a Mac, but we are
> primarily a PC school, although I am working on getting Mac in out
> Art/design dept as the kids will end up using them in industry later.
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> Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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> Cheers,
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> Jacquie Tinkler
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> Wangaratta High School
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