[Design and Technology] election promise

Thu Apr 19 09:28:06 EST 2007

Its reaching me Johnny. I agree with this discussion, its happening everywhe=
re. Jeff Donovan Baimbridge College Hamilton.

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From: destech-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Hallsworth, John J
Sent: Thu 19/04/2007 7:34 AM
To: Design and Technology Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Design and Technology] election promise

Hello all (although I guess this is specifically aimed at Kevork really)

could you give us an indication of how many teachers are on the destech mail=
ing list please.  It would be interesting to know whether this is just a sma=
ll group of teachers having a whinge amongst themselves, or maybe it is reac=
hing a greater cohort and may lead somewhere.

Thank you.

John Hallsworth
Montmorency Secondary College
Para Rd, Montmorency, 3094
Ph: 9435 6399 Fax: 9434 6259
visit http://www.vcedesigntech.com/  - you just might find it useful !

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From: David Fletcher
Sent: Wed 18/04/07 10:47 PM
To: Design and Technology Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Design and Technology] election promise

Hi all,

Further to the discussion regarding maintaining woodwork and metalwork machi=
nery in Technology Departments, many schools employ the services of a most c=
apable and helpful company who will do this on a contract basis.

They have also upgraded the necessary guarding on some machines, replaced an=
d/or sharpened cutting blades and expertly installed ducting for waste remov=
al.  They will issue a certificate each year that machines have been checked=
, maintained and comply with OH&S requirements.

Generally this can be done in one day, at a very reasonable rate, and it tak=
es the responsibility off the technology teacher who may not always have the=
 time or expertise to carry out this maintenence work.

The company is  ANVIL SAFETY PRODUCTS.  Contact ... 

John Garcia

342 Stony Point Road,

Crib Point 3919

(03) 5983 6063

FAX 5983 6125

Email: Anvil at nex.net.au <mailto:Anvil at nex.net.au> 

I am happy to recommend this company.

David Fletcher

Secretary TEAV

Email  dgfletch at bigpond.net.au

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From: Kevork Krozian <mailto:kevork at edulists.com.au> 
Date: 18/04/2007 08:28:49 PM
To: Design and Technology Teachers' Mailing List <mailto:destech at edulists.co=
m.au> 
Subject: Re: [Design and Technology] election promise

Dear Design and Tech Teachers,

  It gives me enormous satisfaction when I see your list evolving along the
lines the much older IT lists have moved.
Namely, as professionals you have a voice to express a point of view, air
grievances if there are any ( there is no shortage of those in education it
seems and why wouldn't there be with such a complex endeavour ? ), celebrate
success, support each other with ideas as well as resources.
Furthermore, I have watched as this list has moved on to discuss issues of
resourcing such as lease vs buy , funding, support and the discussion of
issues that impact upon your ability to do your jobs as teachers.
  Ultimately we are here for the students and it is for them that we are
striving in order to deliver the best education program.

  If there is anything I can do to further enhance your mailing list or your
support web site at http://www.edulists.com.au/ please let me know.

Best Wishes

Kevork Krozian
Mailing List Creator and Administrator
kevork at edulists.com.au
http://www.edulists.com.au/
Tel: 0419 356 034
----- Original Message -----
From: "bazeley" <bazeley at iinet.net.au>
To: "'Design and Technology Teachers' Mailing List'"
<destech at edulists.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Design and Technology] election promise

> Hi all
>
> Sharing our experiences is very important at this stage especially when
> they
> are as well expressed as Gary, John and others. I think if we can get
> enough
> information together the next letter to the Minister should come from the
> TEAV. I am sure David Fletcher and others are listening.
>
> I put forward the following example that was helpful in carrying out the
> maintenance schedule that I have had difficulty in completing.
>
> In 2006 the school was willing to employ an ex trade teacher with
> engineering skills for one day. He carried out most of the maintenance on
> the machinery in that one day. This was excellent value and a number of
> bugs
> in the machinery were fixed. He was payed for a days CRT work. Costs for
> repairs, parts etc came out of woodwork budget.
>
> It would be good to hear of other solutions that teachers have used that
> work and could help solve problems in the short term.
>
> Richard Bazeley
>
>
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: destech-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:destech-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Wragg, Gary G
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 9:30 AM
> To: Design and Technology Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Design and Technology] election promise
>
>
>
> Sorry to continue the 'Forum' as such, but it is good to hear tech
> teachers
> finally speaking out and a few points are worth elaborating upon.
>
> 1. Teaching conditions
>
> In the 1970's, class sizes in workshops were capped at 20. Rooms were set
> up
> for 20 with a max of 24. Staff were allocated 'machining time' in lieu of
> a
> technical assistant. Over the last 30 years our conditions have
> deteriorated
> and programs have been compromised. The transition from trade-based to
> design-based learning increases workloads and has dramatically altered the
> function of technology teachers. Students' work requires individual
> machining - different from the old 'industrial model' where all did the
> same
> thing. Teachers are now forced to spend more time in the machining rooms
> leaving up to 28 students unsupervised in a workshop full of sharp things!
> Huge problems with responsibility!!
>
> 2. Technology Assistants
>
> Trade teachers in the past maintained their own equipment, repaired and
> built furniture, etc. With the current paucity of tradespeople, this now
> needs to be either outsourced - or more likely - facilities just fall into
> disrepair. When I asked for a Tech assistant (a la Food Tech, Science and
> languages, etc!) to assist with maintenance and machining VCE work, and
> despite a recognition of the need, the standard response was that there
> 'was
> no budget allocation available - nor likely to be unless government
> provides
> it'. Budgets are documents that reflect the priorities of a school and
> government. The implications are obvious.
>
> 3. Provision of Resources.
>
> Capital equipment costs are a huge impost on school budgets. Much of the
> valuable machinery was disposed of with the demise of the Techs and little
> has been replaced. Yet, the demands on a growing Technology curriculum
> have
> increased exponentially. Out-dated, unsafe equipment and resources impact
> heavily on the classroom and confidence of teachers.
>
> On a final note, I recently contacted Lorraine Tran and the TEAV about
> supply of technology software for schools being provided by the government
> in a similar manner to the Laptop and Microsoft programs. The responses
> from
> both were heartening, particularly given the political restraints
> operating
> around them. I guess we should now support them in supporting us.
>
> I applaud those who have taken up these important issues.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary Wragg
>
> Rosebud Secondary College
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: destech-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Hallsworth, John J
> Sent: Mon 16/04/2007 8:59 PM
> To: Design and Technology Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Design and Technology] election promise
>
> Well it's really interesting to hear a few colleagues speaking out over
> the
> conditions we face and our lack of "real" support and resourcing.  Of
> course, we have all been thinking those same thoughts but haven't had an
> oopportunity to voice them.  The biggest problem is, I believe, isolation.
> Technology teachers - "tradies" if you like, have dropped off the top of
> the
> pile through retirements disillusionment and frustration.  There are so
> many
> of us who are working in schools where the technology staff has been cut
> back significantly and is being propped up by teachers who are not really
> qualified to teach the resistant materials and technology subjects, God
> love
> 'em.  Blind Freddy could see that it is near impossible to do justice to
> the
> running of a technology facility, when you have to teach a full load.  It
> is
> akin to being a shop foreman in industry, and also having to work full
> time
> on the bench.  I think there has been a view over recent years that
> technology or trade subjects would just go away and die if you starved
> them
> of resources,  However, that doesn't appear to be about to happen because
> the popular view is now that technology subjects are vital to the future
> of
> our students.  So, if that's the case, then the Government, Principals and
> College councils need to put their hands in their pockets and provide us
> with the same support that Literacy, Numeracy, Science, Food tech,
> Integration and ICT (to name but a few) receive. Back to the subject of
> Isolation - there needs to be a body (possibly TEAV) that will act as a
> voice for technology teachers on the hard issues.  A voice that will
> gather
> together the facts (we know the government loves to measure data) and
> present them in a rational, but forceful way, not for my sake or your
> sake,
> but for the sake of our students who are, I believe, getting a raw deal
> through the unrealistic demands on us all.
>
>
>
> John Hallsworth
>
> Montmorency Secondary College
>
> Para Rd, Montmorency, 3094
>
> Ph: 9435 6399 Fax: 9434 6259
>
> visit http://www.vcedesigntech.com/ <http://www.vcedesigntech.com/>   - yo=
u just
> might find it useful !
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: destech-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of
> fbu at brightp12.vic.edu.au
> Sent: Mon 16/04/07 4:32 PM
> To: destech at edulists.com.au
> Subject: RE: [Design and Technology] election promise
>
>
>
> John Hallsworth
>
> Montmorency Secondary College
>
> Para Rd, Montmorency, 3094
>
> Ph: 9435 6399 Fax: 9434 6259
>
> visit http://www.vcedesigntech.com/ <http://www.vcedesigntech.com/>   - yo=
u just
> might find it useful !
>
> Yeah, I can relate to that. No time allowance or recognition (unless it is
> convenient for admin) for ordering materials, sharpening, maintenance,
> fixing, getting quotes etc for repairs, adjusting equipment , record and
> accounts keeping, etc. There is only me here in Bright, and I run both
> wood
> and metal tech from year 8 to 12. With a full teaching load it is now
> impossible to keep up with the maintenance. Some band aid sollutions
> included  an attempt to get Rotary Club to send volunteers. This took a
> fair
> bit of time to set up and only lasted  one session. I now have a retired
> gent to do some for cash - he is good so far but tends to go for holidays
> during the winter. I have had 7 years of negotiations with the principals
> and the powers that be. The bottom line is always that, according to
> principals of other like schools, their tech staff seem to cope well
> without
> additional assistance and do all this work within their class-room
> preparation time. Apart from that there is no
>  funding.
>
> So my question is, are the tech areas well maintained, and who does the
> work? (and are these people fairly reimbursed for that work?). Because
> sure
> as hell I cannot do that part of the job effectively on a full teaching
> load.
>
> Fran Burgers
>
>  "Ripley, Robert R" <ripley.robert.r at edumail.vic.gov.au> on Sun, 15 Apr
> 2007 10:43:10 +1000 wrote:
>> After 2 days at school during the term break, doing jobs that could not
>> be
> done during school days because of teaching committments, (General machine
> maintenence, changing cutters, repairing/sharpening tools,
> unloading/stacking material deliveries), all the while observing that
> Science, Food, IT etc have assistant teaching personel, I'd suggest an
> addition to your note to the Minister -
>>
>> Staffing the 'Technical' areas with suitably skilled teachers and
> appropriate servicing personel is as important as funding for equipment
> and
> building replacement/upgrade.
>>
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