[Informatics] Class sizes 2022

Fri Nov 19 00:40:45 UTC 2021

Thanks Ben for the reflection. I have to admire the hard work by many of you working to capture student interest and working with the smaller classes. 

Like Kevork, who posted the same to the SD list and does some fantastic work in the VET IT area, I am also keen to hear from others on the list about what other schools found to work. There is an active DLTV VCE committee that is meeting early December. We will be looking over these stories. 

Personally, I have been describing our entire VCE subject as Applied Computing, the name on our study design. It’s only when push comes to shove with year 11 course selection that I unpack the SD and DA flavours and units etc. 

Regards Roland
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> On 19 Nov 2021, at 9:20 am, POLLOCK, Benn(POL) <POL at wantirnacollege.vic.edu.au <mailto:POL at wantirnacollege.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
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> I had single digit students in Data analytics for the first time ever in the subject (going back to IT apps & Informatics) since I begun teaching here in 2011. We offer Game development/animation electives at Year 10 and Applied Computing at 11 which have decent numbers in them (almost full classes both semesters for Y9 and 10, about 15 or so for Year 11). We are finding that students are put off by Data analytics as a subject title. We are removing it and switching to Software Development in 2023 and beyond as we are finding this is meeting the needs and interests of the students coming through the lower year levels as they want to do 'coding'. We can't run Data Analytics/Software Dev side by side as it will dillute the pool of students even further. As others have stated, it's definitely dropped off over the years. I had 2 classes of 16+ students in the final year of the Informatics study design. It's a shame 🙁 
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> From: Vera Cook <vcook at mscw.vic.edu.au <mailto:vcook at mscw.vic.edu.au>>
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> Hi all,
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> My year 10 numbers are really good in the 20s or so but they love multimedia and webdesign and after year 10 programming some find it hard. I don’t know if C# in year 10 may be too much for them but the kids that do get through and do well tend to go into computing and do extremely well in Software Development. I have a girl working on voice to text and text to voice in C# in year 10 and has most of it working really well.
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> Vera
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> From: informatics <informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au <mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au>> On Behalf Of Litsa Tzelepis
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> Good morning Marylou and Vera - this sounds like a mirror image of my experience over the years.
> Thank-you for your feedback; I can see that what's happening in my school is not so unusual.
> Litsa 💟
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> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 8:17 AM Marylou Monaghan <monaghmc at mlc.vic.edu.au <mailto:monaghmc at mlc.vic.edu.au><mailto:monaghmc at mlc.vic.edu.au <mailto:monaghmc at mlc.vic.edu.au>>> wrote:
> Hi All,
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> When I started at my school in 1999 there were three classes of VCE Processing and Management at both year 11 and 12. Here I am 23 years later and there are no senior classes at all in year 11 and 12 in any digital technology subjects. Over the years I have taught VCE Computing, IB ITGS and VET Digital Media and none of them are now running. I had only 5 students in year 12 VCE in 2020. I only had 10 students in year 10 computing this year.
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> Regards,
> Marylou
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> Hi everyone,
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> I agree, I always had large numbers and then the numbers significantly declined and I have taught double and triple VCE classes, since my school bought in laptops throughout the year levels and integrated IT into other subjects many students do not have the skill levels. I have asked many students why they have not done IT in VCE and responses include that they are not good enough on their computers or many feel that they need to do Maths and Science combinations especially Psychology as they feel that it will benefit them more in the future.
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> I am not sure what is happening in other schools, even in my year 10 classes I have limited students who really want to continue with IT I seem to get many who just want to learn the basics.
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> Thankyou Vera
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> BTY did anyone else have software development this year and if so what did you think of the exam.
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> Thank-you Roland and Kevork for your support.
> I do remember those mid 90s numbers. We had 3 classes of about 25. But a programming class of 2 and then 5.
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> These programs sound amazing and I will look into it further.
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> Thankfully for that small cohort of students, my school chose to run both subjects, separately. We do have cases of small classes in specialist maths, language and product design, and a couple of others. I'll count my blessings this year, but I have the feeling the school might not be so generous next time around. Thank goodness for my HHD method :-)
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> Have a lovely evening all and take good care of yourselves.
> Litsa 🍀🌷
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> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 5:45 PM Kevork Krozian <kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au <mailto:kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au><mailto:kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au <mailto:kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au>>> wrote:
> Hi Folks
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>    Shrinking VCE Applied Computing numbers is a sad reality for most schools.
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> Compare that with our mid 1990s heyday when VCE Processing and Management was the third highest enrolment of any VCE study ( happy to be corrected if I am not 100% correct here ).
> Much effort has been expended in the last decade trying to revive our studies but sadly we haven't found a cure yet.
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> At VCE Unit 3-4 we offer Data Analytics, Software Development, HESS Algorithmics, VET IT Certificate II, VET IT Certificate III , VET Cisco.
> VET Cisco counts as two Unit 3-4 credits ( one per year ) and Algorithmics can fast track students in tertiary IT and Computer Science courses.
> Quite the feast for the IT lover, spoilt for choice, yet we are undoubtedly shrinking overall.
> I have taught five out of six and been an examiner on the sixth. Very rewarding.
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> Is there any other field that offers six options at VCE Units 3-4 or VCAL ?
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> At Ringwood Training we have managed to help students who would otherwise miss out in their home school through the provision of three VET in Schools courses:
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>  1. VET Certificate III in IT ( Networking and Cybersecurity ) - can be a scored or a non-scored study
>  2. VET Certificate III in IT ( Multimedia and Gaming)  - can be a scored or a non-scored study
>  3. VET Cisco CCNA ( Cisco Certified Network Associate )  - only non-scored with a 10% ATAR bonus contribution per year of Cisco.
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> We tend to have up to 120 students from almost 50 schools in these courses across two year levels of VCE/VET/VCAL.
> Without this aggregation I don't know that any one school would find these courses viable sad to say.
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> Students continue beyond Yr 12 to post school pathways (see attached ) which we often combine with employment usually on a part time basis with our industry contacts.
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> I haven't solved your local problems Litsa and Xin, however if the alternative is these students miss out totally,
> getting them to a different location will be the smaller of two evils.
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> Kindest Regards
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> Kevork Krozian
> IT Pathways Manager
> Ringwood Training
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> G’day Litsa, i am curious if any institutions are running a distance education version of VET IT. Just curious.
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> Kevork does this with a team at Ringwood SC. I have met some of his students and they do some great work.
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> For others following this thread, check out in the other email that I shared what we do at VSV to support teaching AC, DA and SD for VCE students.
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> Regards Roland
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> On 17 Nov 2021, at 2:15 pm, Litsa Tzelepis <htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au <mailto:htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au><mailto:htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au <mailto:htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au>>> wrote:
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> Oh wow - we have had this in the past but cancelled the VET IT course - although I think it may suit some of our students who may not wanted to take on the VCE courses.
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> We have a class of 4 and 7 next year (11 & 12 respectively).
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> Thank-you for your reply,
> Litsa :-)
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> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 2:01 PM Chen, Xin <xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au <mailto:xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au><mailto:xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au <mailto:xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au>>> wrote:
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> Hi Litsa,
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> Yes, this is happening. My school is even worse—Applied Computing is replaced by VET IT from Y10 to Y12 now. Such a shame!
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> Thanks
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> Regards
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> Xin
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> Xin Chen
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> Head of Digital Technologies
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> Hello 🌻
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> I'm just wondering if schools are seeing a drop in Applied Computing and
> Data Analytics numbers for 2022?
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> We still have 1 class per year level, but they are slightly smaller than
> this year.
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> Just checking - thank-you,
> I hope all is well 🍄
> Litsa
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> *Litsa Tzelepis*
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