[Informatics] informatics Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7

Kevork Krozian kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au
Wed Nov 17 06:45:09 UTC 2021 

Hi Folks

   Shrinking VCE Applied Computing numbers is a sad reality for most schools.

Compare that with our mid 1990s heyday when VCE Processing and Management was the third highest enrolment of any VCE study ( happy to be corrected if I am not 100% correct here ).
Much effort has been expended in the last decade trying to revive our studies but sadly we haven't found a cure yet.

At VCE Unit 3-4 we offer Data Analytics, Software Development, HESS Algorithmics, VET IT Certificate II, VET IT Certificate III , VET Cisco.
VET Cisco counts as two Unit 3-4 credits ( one per year ) and Algorithmics can fast track students in tertiary IT and Computer Science courses.
Quite the feast for the IT lover, spoilt for choice, yet we are undoubtedly shrinking overall.
I have taught five out of six and been an examiner on the sixth. Very rewarding.

Is there any other field that offers six options at VCE Units 3-4 or VCAL ?

At Ringwood Training we have managed to help students who would otherwise miss out in their home school through the provision of three VET in Schools courses:

 1. VET Certificate III in IT ( Networking and Cybersecurity ) - can be a scored or a non-scored study
 2. VET Certificate III in IT ( Multimedia and Gaming)  - can be a scored or a non-scored study
 3. VET Cisco CCNA ( Cisco Certified Network Associate )  - only non-scored with a 10% ATAR bonus contribution per year of Cisco.

We tend to have up to 120 students from almost 50 schools in these courses across two year levels of VCE/VET/VCAL.
Without this aggregation I don't know that any one school would find these courses viable sad to say.

Students continue beyond Yr 12 to post school pathways (see attached ) which we often combine with employment usually on a part time basis with our industry contacts.

I haven't solved your local problems Litsa and Xin, however if the alternative is these students miss out totally,
getting them to a different location will be the smaller of two evils.

Kindest Regards


Kevork Krozian
IT Pathways Manager
Ringwood Training
Tel 0419 356 034




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G’day Litsa, i am curious if any institutions are running a distance education version of VET IT. Just curious.

Kevork does this with a team at Ringwood SC. I have met some of his students and they do some great work.

For others following this thread, check out in the other email that I shared what we do at VSV to support teaching AC, DA and SD for VCE students.

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On 17 Nov 2021, at 2:15 pm, Litsa Tzelepis <htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au<mailto:htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au>> wrote:

Oh wow - we have had this in the past but cancelled the VET IT course - although I think it may suit some of our students who may not wanted to take on the VCE courses.

We have a class of 4 and 7 next year (11 & 12 respectively).

Thank-you for your reply,
Litsa :-)




On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 2:01 PM Chen, Xin <xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au<mailto:xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au>> wrote:

Hi Litsa,

Yes, this is happening. My school is even worse—Applied Computing is replaced by VET IT from Y10 to Y12 now. Such a shame!

Thanks

Regards

Xin

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Hello 🌻

I'm just wondering if schools are seeing a drop in Applied Computing and
Data Analytics numbers for 2022?

We still have 1 class per year level, but they are slightly smaller than
this year.

Just checking - thank-you,
I hope all is well 🍄
Litsa

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Final enrolment numbers in AC, DA or SD can vary widely from school to school across different years. It’s complex for a range of reasons. Many years ago I discovered that it mattered how computing was promoted in our school (7-10), how it was perceived by parents even in the junior year levels (events like Grok challenges or computing clubs) and even, what it was blocked against in the VCE timetable.

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> On 17 Nov 2021, at 1:08 pm, Litsa Tzelepis <htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au<mailto:htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
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> Hello 🌻
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> I'm just wondering if schools are seeing a drop in Applied Computing and Data Analytics numbers for 2022?
>
> We still have 1 class per year level, but they are slightly smaller than this year.
>
> Just checking - thank-you,
> I hope all is well 🍄
> Litsa
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