[Informatics] informatics Digest, Vol 12, Issue 68

[Robert Hind]

Seem to be two issues here: copyright and service or lack thereof.

Re copyright: Of course you are correct that people should not be copying
materials and giving them to others who have not "paid" for them.
BUT people do get frustrated when they cannot access materials they have
paid for and cannot get a timely response from the providers, be that book
publishers or DTLV. The copyright act used to contain a provision allowing
copying under these circumstances.
(I must get back to that science teacher at Morwell High who was foolish
enough to give her science class, including my son, a test handwritten by me
at Mirboo North.)

Robert Hind
Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
Retired


-----Original Message-----
From: informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Bass, Gary S
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2016 2:58 PM
To: informatics at edulists.com.au
Subject: Re: [Informatics] informatics Digest, Vol 12, Issue 68

Greetings

i am not sure taking out on others is the appropriate response to lack of
action since February.

On this list several times, mention has been made of access to answers to
chapter questions, end of chapter quiz and SAT/SAC examples with suggested
solutions.

This is the benefit of booklisting.
Your local Resources manager(Librarian?) will have these details.

Every year teachers need to renew their access codes and class codes.

This procedure is well established for several years (six i think) Asking
for clearly copyrighted materials is a serious indiscretion, without getting
into the legalities of the consequent action if anyone responds.

Book sellers at present are getting around booklisting, not responding to
current teachers with requests for current courses, after their students
have finished classes.

Google may be your friend, as was napster, bit-torrent and pirate bay,
however we are over those now. ..
Under bright light of day anyway.

Gary Bass
DECV

> On 30 Oct 2016, at 12:00 PM, informatics-request at edulists.com.au wrote:
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> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 07:08:07 +0000
> From: "Mekail, Nagla N" <mekail.nagla.n at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> Subject: Re: [Informatics] Nelson exam and answers
> To: "Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List"
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> you are right Vera, I had to ring and then emailed the consultant person
who wasn't available so I had to email two other consultants till one of
them emailed me the code, I am totally agree with you, they made it hard. It
is frustrated me as well because I wanted to give it to my students before
their last day.
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> 
> regards,
> 
> Nagla
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> From: informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au 
> [informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au] on behalf of Vera Cook 
> [vcook at mscw.vic.edu.au]
> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 7:48 AM
> To: Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Informatics] Nelson exam and answers
> 
> I agree Mark, and normally I would not say anything but most schools
booklist the text book which in turn gives them access to the materials
however many of their staff do not send access codes to the schools even
when they are requested. The delay in the text book also stressed many
teachers due to the delay and I did not get one until nearly the end of term
one and that was after our librarian had to ring and email to ask why we did
not have them. I know we only have a small group of students studying
Informatics but they need to make it easier for us to obtain the resources
which according to their own system that we are entitled to. With my new lap
top trying to reset the password took ages as I kept getting blocked due to
our firewall and it was incredibly frustrating. Then waiting for resources
that have been paid for to arrive which I am sure I am not the only person
with 12s finished for the year. One of our resources we were invoiced twice
and am still waiting for r!
> esources. I have never felt more exhausted due to all this happening.
> 
> It may be beneficial if Nelson created a teacher version of the text book
with access codes etc to relieve the pressure of us teachers who don?t have
the time to keep chasing up ordered resources.
> 
> Has anyone else had the same issues this year. I have been teaching for 20
years and have never spent as much time ringing, emailing and trying to
chase up resources that have been paid for or that we are entitled to.
> 
> It?s bad enough I was lucky enough to witness a person run over by a car
in Melbourne now I have had my first whinge for I don?t know how long.
> 
> Please rebut me now?.
> 
> Vera
> 
> From: informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au 
> [mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark
> Sent: Friday, 28 October 2016 3:42 PM
> To: Year 12 VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List 
> <informatics at edulists.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Informatics] Nelson exam and answers
> 
> Hi everyone.
> 
> I am the Edulist Moderator here.  You may not believe that, but I even
have a shiny official badge*.
> 
> While it's really nice to be helpful to the community, please remember
that Nelson/Cengage material is their intellectual property and is protected
by the Copyright Act 1968.
> 
> It is not fair or kind to Kevork to use his Edulist to share copyrighted
material.
> 
> Regards,
> Moderator Mark
> 
> 
> *Kevork - please send badge.
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