[Informatics] OT- Macbooks vs PCs

Thu Dec 3 09:14:24 AEDT 2015

Here’s my WAMP stuff, it’s mostly pure SQL, but it’s something for people to start with. Feel free to modify, distribute and ask questions.

Cheers,

Ben.

From: informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 8:42 PM
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Hmm, if there is interest we could organise some SQL and WAMP workshops with DLTV early February,
perhaps using the popular webinar format that Mark Richardson ran this year for the Digitech workshops.
I don’t mind helping run this unless anybody else wants to give it a go? Kevork?

Regards Roland

On 2 Dec 2015, at 2:28 PM, Baas, Benjamin B <baas.benjamin.b at edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:baas.benjamin.b at edumail.vic.gov.au>> wrote:

I have some tutorials for WAMP that I created. There not good, but if people are interested I can send them out.

Cheers,

Ben.
-Alkira Secondary College

From: informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Garth, Lucas A
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Subject: Re: [Informatics] OT- Macbooks vs PCs

Hello

Great to hear the feedback on the Khan Academy SQL course. My students did the JavaScript one as part of U2O2 last year and though it was using ProcessingJS it still gave a nice introduction to programming visually and the step-by-step approach really helped the students.

It does help if you’ve done the course before, as for students who are struggling, you can provide really quick structures to assist them to move forward to the next level.

SQL is the way forward – it’s where industry was (more than) a decade ago and it’s a transferrable skill that’s not platform dependent.

As James has rightly mentioned WAMP (for Windows) or MAMP/XAMP  - basically all of these easy webserver setups work with MySQL.  I’m trying to write out good materials that work with a MySQL database for U3O1 and may even use this for U2O3 if it is simple enough.

Teaching RDBMS tools once students already have a knowledge of SQL is so much easier.

Lucas Garth
Lalor SC

From: informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen
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Yes, its the way to go forward with this. Last week I had a good talk about this with Garry Bass last week who helped me to understand why this was so and the learning errors that come with teaching databases with just MS Access. Margaret Lawson also did some homework to point out that the time was ripe to start using SQL. Glad I took the plunge.

Just asked my 2016 year 12 students and they give it a big thumbs up. There you go!

Regards Roland

PS: Crikey, my last VCE Class at Keysborough College and they are lining up to shake my hand. Go outside and kick a ball ..

On 2 Dec 2015, at 1:37 PM, Baas, Benjamin B <baas.benjamin.b at edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:baas.benjamin.b at edumail.vic.gov.au>> wrote:

I ran SQL with some of my students this year, I gave them a choice between SQL and Access. The students that did SQL better on the SAC than the Access students.

Cheers,

Ben.

From: informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:informatics-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen
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I am going to make do with SQL and wean myself off MS Access next year.

During our year 12 headstart course (a keysborough transition course for year 11 students) I was quite impressed by how the kids took to it using the Khan Academy tutorials, crikey they learned it fast and better than my chugalug approach to teaching MS Access. OpenOffice Base is better now too but I reckon that SQL Lite could work just fine for what we need to do for 2016. I’ll keep you posted how I go.

https://www.khanacademy.org/computing/computer-programming/sql

https://www.evernote.com/l/AB-2p_5qfdZJo6H1Y5vgkws-9W1PmU-TNkA

Regards Roland

On 2 Dec 2015, at 12:42 PM, Poke, Michael C <poke.michael.c at edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:poke.michael.c at edumail.vic.gov.au>> wrote:

Hi Sylvia,
Here at Manor Lake College we use Apple computers and devices across the college. It’s awesome as far as what students can do present their work in innovative ways.  As far as from an Informatics perspective, the lack of a decent (free) database management system like MS Access has been a real issue.  We survived using Libre Office Base but as an open source platform, it was prone to crashing at times and doing things a bit funny.  Now we’ve managed to get our IT guys to set up remote access to MS Access for Windows via the College server.  It works like a virtual machine but only gives them direct access to Access… but only at school on our iMacs in our computer labs. It was tricky for the IT guys to set up, but now it’s all set up, it works well. We’ll see how it goes in 2016.

Hope this is useful to you.

Cheers,
Michael

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On 2 Dec 2015, at 11:09 AM, Sylvia Pastore <smp191172 at gmail.com<mailto:smp191172 at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all
Just wanted to know of any schools that have moved from PCs to Macbooks. How has your experience been and what are issues that you have had. Would love to have feedback of schools that have done this move and the reaction of staff as well!!!!

Thanks in advance for your thoughts

Sylvia
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