[Busmanagers] OSHCCP CO-ORDINATOR CONTRACT

Fri Oct 13 12:20:17 EST 2006

Well said Brigid,

When I started in this job I had only been a part time admin assistant
with absolutely no experience on the HR side of things.  I did my 4 days
HRMS training and that was it.  I made so many mistakes early on (still
do, but not quite as many I hope) - simply because there was not and
still isn't any training on the policy and procedures side of things.
Its not good enough - we are dealing with people's careers and often
their only source of income and we cannot afford to do the wrong thing
just because we haven't been told what the right thing is.

I see its being suggested that a pd as part of the conference would be a
good idea.  I think that's great - but I also would like to see it
offered outside of the conference as I know I have not yet been to a
conference and I suspect there may be plenty of others who also do not
attend.

Raelene 
Raelene Clark
Business Manager
Bayswater Primary School
9721 3755
clark.raelene.v at edumail.vic.gov.au

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From: busmanagers-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:busmanagers-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Campbell,
Brigid A
Sent: Friday, 13 October 2006 11:11 AM
To: Business Managers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Busmanagers] OSHCCP CO-ORDINATOR CONTRACT

Hi Chris,

I use the HR letter and forms, but this is the sort of PD that Business
Managers need, have been in this job two years and have yet to see an
Information session or Professional Development session offered on these
issues, a lot of the time it is ring the Call Centre.   HRMS Training
covers how to use it, but the policy and guidelines is find out the
information however you can.

I know first hand what a minefield Local Payroll employees can be, has
taken me till earlier this year to have OHC and Canteen staff paid
centrally, some have worked in the same position for 10 years plus and
were still being paid casually with no benefits accumulated.  I am but
one school, how many others out there have followed the same procedure
set down by their predecessor!

Brigid Campbell

Business Manager

Warranwood Primary School

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From: busmanagers-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:busmanagers-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Towers, Chris
G
Sent: Friday, 13 October 2006 10:58 AM
To: Business Managers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Busmanagers] OSHCCP CO-ORDINATOR CONTRACT

Glynis 

I looked with some interest at the contract and job description that you
included with your response to Annette's request, however my interest
turned to concern as I read through both documents.  Hopefully the
following will be of assistance in ensuring that employment of all
school staff is done according to Department policy and the law.  By the
way, although I have sought some advice on this matter I have not and
will not divulge to anyone else, names or schools.  

The first thing is that most of the information that Annette was
seeking, including the offer of employment, is on HRWeb.  While this may
not necessarily be the case in this instance, the conditions of
employment set out on the various pages of HRWeb apply equally to all
employees in schools.  Sometimes there is a view expressed that these
policies, including rates of pay, leave, offer of employment, employment
type, termination provisions etc. are different for school council
employees/locally paid staff. This is not the case.  

Now some specifics:

1.                  There is a sample offer of employment letter for s15
employees (this means school council employees) on HRWeb at
http://www.eduweb.vic.gov.au/edulibrary/public/hr/procedures/SSOofflet.d
oc .  Schools should use this as a staring point and modify as necessary
to meet their needs.  All HR forms, including the employment offer is
available on the forms page on HRWeb at
http://www.eduweb.vic.gov.au/hrweb/resources/forms.htm 

2.                  Industrial agreements (i.e. SSO agreement) are
already in place.  What the school is doing is making an offer of
employment.  Amounts to the same thing, but "Agreement" on the document
creates confusion.

3.                  Ministerial Order number 154 that is quoted in the
agreement is out of date.  It's now order 188

4.                  The hourly rate quoted does not equate to any of the
minimums under Order 188.  If it is intended to be a casual rate such an
agreement goes to the poor practice of long term employment on casual
rates i.e. casual rates are only to be used where the employment really
is of a casual nature, meaning it is of an irregular and temporary
nature.  

5.                  Clause 5 breaches the SSO Agreement, Order 188 and
Department policy.  The department has processes in place (see HRWeb) to
deal with unsatisfactory performance or misconduct.  They should be
followed.  

6.                  What is the point of the termination clause (clause
6) (see point 5)? Aside from the legality of this why can the school
give only 14 days but the employee must give 30 days!!!

7.                  Clause 7 intends this to be a fixed-term contract,
but they end up with an ongoing contract because clause 7 doesn't do the
job.  Bottom line is use the sample letter on HRWeb and the employment
details template that goes with it.

Chris Towers 
Assistant Manager, Communication & Support 
Corporate Systems 
Corporate Services Division 
Department of Education and Training (Victoria) 
___________________________________________________________________ 
*Address: Third Floor, 2 Treasury Place, East Melbourne 3002  
*  Phone: + 61 3 9637 3648       *    Fax:     + 613 9637 2636
* Email:  towers.chris.g at edumail.vic.gov.au
<mailto:towers.chris.g at edumail.vic.gov.au> 

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From: busmanagers-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:busmanagers-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Singh, Glynis
J
Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 1:57 PM
To: Business Managers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Busmanagers] OSHCCP CO-ORDINATOR CONTRACT

Hi Annette

Here's the one we use.  Also the Job Description we based the contract
on.  

Glynis Singh

Weeden Heights PS

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From: busmanagers-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:busmanagers-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Bruce, Annette
M
Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:23 PM
To: busmanagers at edulists.com.au
Subject: [Busmanagers] OSHCCP CO-ORDINATOR CONTRACT

We have just employed a new co-ordinator for our OSHC program.  Does
anyone have a copy of a contract they could send me.  It would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Annette Bruce

Belle Vue P.S. 

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