The more remote kids are the last to hear about the things that could help them more than it could help the city kids. Things are a bit back to front in some ways Claire. <br>Peter<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/6/26 Claire Adams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:claire.e.adams@gmail.com">claire.e.adams@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">My students don't know what twitter, irc, or forums are.<br>
They don't even think to look up help (F1 is unheard of!).<br>
Most country kids (esp. here on the EP) have heard of MSN, but that<br>
doesn't mean they even use that regularly.<br>
In my experience some interactive device (maybe wiki, or IRC channel)<br>
might get used by city kids, or<br>
kids who live in more densely populated areas, but it would be a waste<br>
of resources over here.<br>
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Claire Adams<br>
Cummins Area School<br>
Eyre Peninsula<br>
South Australia<br>
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Roland Gesthuizen<<a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> (* hand over mouth *) OK you lot .. toss in your 2 cents worth.<br>
><br>
> Regards Roland<br>
><br>
> 2009/6/23 Dr Paul Chandler <<a href="mailto:paul.chandler@une.edu.au">paul.chandler@une.edu.au</a>><br>
>><br>
>> Roland and others,<br>
>><br>
>> I hope you haven't put the moz on other responses to my question, Roland<br>
>> :-)<br>
>><br>
>> I'm presently engaged in observing classes using Kahootz, for which there<br>
>> is no existing (student-accessible) forum or similar system.<br>
>><br>
>> What we are observing is that students are thriving on the immediacy of<br>
>> getting help. For instance "how do I make it seem that this character is<br>
>> morphing to another ... oh, I can show you how to do that" There is help<br>
>> being spread across schools ("how can I show rain"), but it is<br>
>> teacher-mediated and word of mouth (but very efficient when it works).<br>
>><br>
>> I think help forms are terrific. The rapidity in which I've received<br>
>> assistance for products like vlc and PGV is astounding, but these are very<br>
>> large and very active communities, where the principal developers devote<br>
>> huge numbers of hours to answer questions. This is not likely to be the<br>
>> case with Kahootz.<br>
>><br>
>> You're not going to get extended responses in a medium like twitter. But<br>
>> interactions such as "Can u mk rain?" "yeah - check <a href="http://somerain" target="_blank">http://somerain</a>" are<br>
>> possible, and probably very helpful.<br>
>><br>
>> So, notwithstanding Roland's informed comments about forums and Yahoo<br>
>> answers, I think my question still remains: I'm wondering if anyone as<br>
>> thought of - or implemented - the use of Twitter (or some twitter-like<br>
>> technology) as a "help system" for students?<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>> > Twitter is a bit different from a forum to ask for help .. it is an odd<br>
>> > mix<br>
>> > of micro-blogging and chat. I have a small, friendly gathering of<br>
>> > educators<br>
>> > on my Twitter rgesethuizen identity but not as many as I can tap into<br>
>> > via<br>
>> > these forums. No students although I expect they have moved beyond<br>
>> > micro-blogging to communicating in fewer syllables with words like hmm,<br>
>> > shh,<br>
>> > ahh, grr, hah, ugg, huh, yeh etc.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Perhaps if students were looking to share questions they would use Yahoo<br>
>> > Answers. Last year I was surprised to spot my VCE students skim this for<br>
>> > answers until I found out that one was handing out IT advice and trying<br>
>> > to<br>
>> > gain more 'points' than somebody else! She was doing a swell job of<br>
>> > answering basic questions by doing some snap research and typing up<br>
>> > short<br>
>> > answers. Apparently they got the most points if the questioner voted her<br>
>> > answer as the best. Worth studying although I should warn that I now<br>
>> > recognise that like other similar engines, some of the questions<br>
>> > discussed<br>
>> > cover adult concepts.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Regards Roland<br>
>> ><br>
>> > 2009/6/22 Dr Paul Chandler <<a href="mailto:paul.chandler@une.edu.au">paul.chandler@une.edu.au</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> >> Hi folks,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I'm wondering if anyone as thought of - or implemented - the use of<br>
>> >> Twitter (or some twitter-like technology) as a "help system" for<br>
>> >> students?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> We all know that kids talk with one another and 'get help' on various<br>
>> >> aspects of computing when they are working in the classroom ... is this<br>
>> >> the logical extension?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Thoughts?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> Dr Paul Chandler<br>
>> >> Research Fellow<br>
>> >> 'Multimedia grammatical design and authoring pedagogy' (Kahootz)<br>
>> >> project,<br>
>> >> School of Education, University of New England<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> located at Australian Children's Television Foundation<br>
>> >> 145 Smith Street, Fitzroy, Melbourne, 3065<br>
>> >> e-mail: <a href="mailto:paul.chandler@une.edu.au">paul.chandler@une.edu.au</a><br>
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>><br>
>> located at Australian Children's Television Foundation<br>
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