<div dir="ltr">Yep, it is a discipline .. but it doesn't stand alone or in isolation, it draws its valuable context and inspiration from the other subject areas around it .. and yes, we customise the progression points according to how it is handled by each IT teacher. Not a big deal. I teach an environmental science subject (drawing upon SOSE and Science) .. but it is assessed as a technology subject. You can view some of my progression point samples on the VCAA website, look for my satellite models (paper, 2D, 3D and physical models using visual tools, blogs etc.). <br>
<br>Last term I got to see a real satellite being built at JPL Pasadena, CA. Exciting and fun stuff!<br><br>Regards Roland<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/9/8 Costello, Rob R <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Costello.Rob.R@edumail.vic.gov.au">Costello.Rob.R@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>></span><br>
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Sounds nice Roland but what is IT?</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Is it a discipline?</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Maths, science, English, IT ….</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Or does it intermingle with the other disciplines</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">If it is a discipline, is it programming?</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Or is ICT <i><span style="font-style: italic;">for</span></i>
</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Eg for communicating, for creating, for
visualising thinking</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">So skilled usage of software and systems
would qualify</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">The standards are so broad one could go
either way….</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Which I think is ok….i like the
broadness there</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">But do progression points make sense under
that breadth ….</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Do you make your own interpretation of
progression points</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Eg, 5.25, in use of google sketch up for creating,
might be quite different to 5.25 in Scratch for creating (and both overlap with
visualising thinking)</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I can see progression in learning in both environments,
but would need customising </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Is that how you are doing it?</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Cheers</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Rob </span></font></p>
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US">
<a href="mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Roland Gesthuizen<div class="Ih2E3d">
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 7 September 2008
10:08 PM<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Year 7 - 10 Information
Technology Teachers' Mailing List<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Yr7-10it] Vels
reporting formats..</div></span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">This was one of the
reasons why we kept stand-alone IT subjects. It was felt that secondary
teachers that spent a couple of years studying part-time to pick up an IT
method teaching tag would be best placed to assess a progression point for a
student. We can both encourage IT rich classrooms and still have one subject
that specifically assesses IT. Our brief flirtation with the smearing of IT
across the curriculum was a dumbing-down of activities and a smudging of
results. We didn't have a better apraisal of a student's IT skills by just
adding more teachers that mark an IT progression point. We could all eat from
the IT cake, only one of us needed to stand on the scales.<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
<br>
Staff here were happier with the idea of less marking and better assessment on
what was being marked. Part of the problem of adding noodles into this
assessment soup is that is is a numerical average going on behind the scenes.
If I elected to add some maths progression points into my class, my score is
going to be split with the maths teacher ... add other teachers and the
contribution of by that maths professional to a particular students score is
going to be further diluted. <br>
<br>
We felt that it was better to do it properly, measure it once, and spend the
time saved on teaching an rich curriculum. Not everything we teach needs to be
measured or reported upon but what we do, should be done carefully, correctly
with the dignified contribution by the best corresponding professional.<br>
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Regards Roland</div></div></span></font></p><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">2008/9/7 Kent Beveridge <<a href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</a>></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hi fellow listers,<br>
I am just putting some fine tuning to VELSifying the IT curriculum here
and now am turning my attentions to the actual reports formats for final
reporting this year...yep, we're doin' it at last!<br>
To assist my format quest, I am seeking out suitable formats to use for years
7-10, which can/may be adapted for our needs here.<br>
We presently run the 7-10 I.T. subjects as standalone subjects. The content
however, can still be related and fathomed via other curriculum areas. ie teach
the IT skills and sometimes share topics across subject areas.<br>
If there are any of you out there willing to, and able to, share your formats
(perhaps screen shots would be a good starter), this little black duck would be
most eternally grateful. I'm sorta flying solo here with this one.<br>
Quack!<br>
Kent.<br>
<br>
Kent Beveridge,<br>
I.T. co-ordinator<br>
St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College<br>
Horsham<br>
email.. <a href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</a><br>
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Sent: Wed 8/27/2008 11:20 AM<br>
To: 'Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
Subject: RE: [Yr7-10it] textbooks for Dreamweaver CS3, Flash CS3, Fireworks CS3<br>
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Hello Caterina<br>
Glad I could be of help. We haven't changed over to CS3 yet because we will<br>
need to upgrade a lot of computers to do so. But we're buying about 60 more<br>
at the end of this year so they will have CS3 Master Collection which has<br>
just about every application known to man! Of course the remaining hundreds<br>
will only have CS2 and the Macromedia MX versions which means more work for<br>
our poor overworked technicians. From what I've seen, the CS3 is<br>
super-wizz-bang and does wonderful things. But that doesn't mean that CS2<br>
isn't terrific because it is. In the end of things, it just comes down to<br>
finances.<br>
<br>
For instance, I would like to have the Year 10 Packaging/Product Design<br>
students use CS3 to create a mobile phone background with Flash elements (it<br>
appeals to them!) I saw it on a conference recently and was very enthused.<br>
But it doesn't work in CS2 so I have to wait until next year.<br>
<br>
I've used a huge number of exercises from the Natcoll Dreamweaver, Flash,<br>
Illustrator, InDesign and Photoshop books and have been pleased with all of<br>
them. They are succinctly written and give good additional tips. In fact, I<br>
think I've bought just about the entire range of their books.<br>
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I hope it's useful.<br>
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Diane Peat<br>
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On Behalf Of Caterina Garwoli<br>
Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2008 10:17 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:dpeat@firbank.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">dpeat@firbank.vic.edu.au</a><br>
Subject: RE: [Yr7-10it] textbooks for Dreamweaver CS3, Flash CS3, Fireworks<br>
CS3<br>
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Hi Diane,<br>
Thank you as I had no idea there are student textbooks available for Flash<br>
and etc.<br>
<br>
Are you actually using any of the new features in class delivered in<br>
Flash CS3? Is there a benefit as our school is still on the MX version? We<br>
teach Flash in year 8 & 9.<br>
<br>
Caterina<br>
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Hello Antonia<br>
> We have used some CS2 books by Natcoll Publishing, a New Zealand
company<br>
and<br>
> have found them terrific - <a href="http://natcoll.co.nz/Home" target="_blank">http://natcoll.co.nz/Home</a> - is the website.<br>
They<br>
> are around A$35 to A$40 each and have great exercises and very well<br>
explained instructions. They've got CS3 versions out now too, and we'll<br>
also<br>
> change over early next year. We've found them to be really good value. I<br>
hope it's useful info.<br>
><br>
> Diane Peat<br>
> Firbank Grammar School<br>
> 51 Outer Crescent<br>
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> Telephone 9591 5188<br>
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Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2008 1:10 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:yr11it@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">yr11it@edulists.com.au</a>; <a href="mailto:yr7-10it@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">yr7-10it@edulists.com.au</a>;<br>
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> Sorry for the crossposts, but next year we are going to use CS3 versions<br>
of<br>
> Adobe software (Dreamweaver, Flash & Fireworks). Do any of you know of<br>
good<br>
> textbooks/other that I can booklist we will be teaching it at Years 9
&<br>
10<br>
> levels.<br>
> Currently in teaching Flash etc MX we have been using the Course<br>
Technology<br>
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pricey if possible.<br>
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