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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=650431502-24102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I'm rather fond of a quote from Neil
Postman:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=650431502-24102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><EM>When citizens do not believe they have a culture worth
preserving, their children are beset with sorrows including a lack of hope,
conviction, trust and aspiration. [What is needed is not computers or any other
kind of gadgetry but] some meaningful story to tell our children. It may be a
story about their souls or their minds or their history or their country or
their planet. But it must be strong and romantic and inspiring. It must be
capable of touching the hearts and the nerves, and it must explain who they are
and why they are here and what is expected of them.</EM></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=650431502-24102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=650431502-24102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>It's because I see possibilities for ICT in a curriculum
shaped towards these goals that I continue to do what I do
...</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Anne-Marie
Chase<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:39 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Year 7
- 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[Yr7-10it] RE: Year 7-10 IT structures<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'">Hi<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'">Very big
question!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'">I read an
article this morning, </SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN>Schools debate bogged down in
negatives,</SPAN><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=blue size=2><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'"><A
href="http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22623552-27197,00.html">http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22623552-27197,00.html</A>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'">I thought the
wish list was a good idea, to have goals/aims/ideals. Maybe something like
this from an IT perspective needs to be worked out so that we can
“</SPAN></FONT>really help our students make this world a better place for us
all to live in?”<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Cheers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>Anne-Marie<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=green size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: green; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">please don't print this
e-mail unless you really need to.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Roland
Gesthuizen<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 23 October
2007 17:14<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x"
tabIndex=0 w:st="on">Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing
List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
Re: [Yr7-10it] RE: Year 7-10 IT structures</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am really excited to read all these posts
and all the right questions that we seem to be asking each other.<BR><BR>I agree
with Bill. The OLPC is a fascinating invention. Like the student that freely
dips into the wireless access spilling over the school fence from his
neighboring home, the mesh technology has even enough range to bridge between
the different islands in the Solomons. Whilst the original vision for the
telephone was that it could be used to pipe music directly to homes, we would be
equally narrow minded to think that the Internet was for edumail and piping
music to pockets filled with iPhones. <BR><BR>I have some Sudanese lads who are
struggling with renaming files yet can happily play computer games and chat
online. Is it appropriate to measuring their learning from their understanding
of a computer desktop, a metaphor based upon the workings of a small business
office? The different ethnic groups at our school have vastly different
traditions and ideas of what it means to 'be working together'. I am now not
sure if the collaborative, learning model that I carry about in my head is best
and only way forward. <BR><BR>I have had some indirect contact with of the huge
technology issues faced by countries on our doorstep. From young computer
technicians trained in Melbourne to set up Ubuntu Linux networks for East Timor,
the KhmerOS group that has managed to retain a Cambodian keyboard and recover
their language using Open Office and the network manager on Naru who is
experimenting recycling old hardware using Kbuntu. <BR><BR>I would like us to
engage with what it really means to transform ICT education, beyond rubbing the
latest shiny new toy or unboxing the latest bit of commercial software. I like
asking the big questions in my IT classrooms so here is one. What can we do to
really help our students make this world a better place for us all to live
in?<BR><BR>Regards Roland<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=gmailquote><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 23/10/2007, <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Bill Kerr</SPAN></B> <<A
href="mailto:billkerr@gmail.com">billkerr@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">hi Cameron,<BR><BR>The OLPC has wireless mesh networking
and a new user interface (sugar) based on a community metaphor, which invites
extensive collaboration with each child having their own laptop. In that respect
(and some others) OLPC is superior to its new low price rivals from Intel etc.
<BR><A
href="http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/05/community-user-interface.html"
target=_blank>http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/05/community-user-interface.html
</A><BR><BR>If each child owns the laptop then that open up potential for home
use - as well as the clearly important "sense of personal ownership" <BR><BR>I
agree with you that if the laptops are introduced and teachers keep to their old
techniques and lesson plans then its not going to work very well at
all<BR><BR>That is sort of the point of this discussion - where would / should
it lead? <BR><BR>Papert has argued for years that maths could be transformed
with one laptop per child but that it doesn't work with other ratios. The
pencil argument, it would be poor education to chain up pencils in a lab or to
insist on sharing of pencils<BR><BR>As you say:<SPAN
class=q><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The laptop struggles to break out from being a glorified
word-processor, file storage and email client to the off the shelf tool that
gets used as needed, to develop a solution for the problem at
hand.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>With OLPC the laptop does or should
develop or appear to develop some sort of agency of its own, it demands to be
used in new and different ways - are the teachers up to it?<BR><BR>btw I
attended a conference at Methodist Ladies College (Melbourne) in circa 1980 when
every child had a laptop and they were using logo extensively (David
Loader was the Principal). <BR><BR>Your points about forcing collaboration are
interesting and I'd like to hear more about the tool you mention that
facilitates a process whereby students "produce work that reflects their own
knowledge, not the groups knowledge"<BR><BR>I'm wary of formalising
collaboration in an institutional sense. I think learners have the right to
choose their time and place for collaboration. When setting up groups I often do
permit a group of one. I'm aware of one very good educational blogger who
has been arguing this for some time: <BR>blog of proximal development<BR><A
href="http://www.teachandlearn.ca/blog/"
target=_blank>http://www.teachandlearn.ca/blog/</A><BR>(I will dig up some of
his posts about this particular topic if you want) <BR><BR>cheers,<BR><SPAN
class=q>-- </SPAN><BR><SPAN class=q>Bill Kerr </SPAN><BR><SPAN class=q><A
href="http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/"
target=_blank>http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/</A></SPAN><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=gmailquote><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 10/23/07, <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cameron Bell</SPAN></B> <<A
href="mailto:bell.cameron.p@edumail.vic.gov.au" target=_blank>
bell.cameron.p@edumail.vic.gov.au</A>>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">But Bill, lots and lots of schools have implemented
laptop programs - some for many years now. We have found that you don't need one
laptop per child - in fact, I believe that insisting each child having their own
laptop can stifle pedagogical progress. When each child has their own laptop or
they are working in a lab, the teacher is generally just using the same teaching
techniques and lesson plans they always have, insisting on personal work,
students working in isolation (communicating, but in isolation) with the whole
class doing the same activity at the same time. The laptop struggles to break
out from being a glorified word-processor, file storage and email client to the
off the shelf tool that gets used as needed, to develop a solution for the
problem at hand.<BR>We have run with a one-between-two program here for the past
couple of years (I was skeptical as I had just come from a 1-1 school) and apart
from a couple of dedicated labs, we now deliberately aim for one-between-two for
all our technology infrastructure. It means students <U>must</U> collaborate as
teams on producing work and we are being forced to develop methods for students
to be able to collaborate- but then produce work that reflects their own
knowledge, not the groups knowledge. It's tricky but I have found a very useful
little tool that enables that to happen in my classes and the rest of the staff
have adapted too! Some of us are creating digital portfolios, this requires
group prac work, but individual reflections. How do you do this with
one-between-two? You are forced to examine individual learning plans, multiple
lesson plans within a lesson, rather than the one-size-fits-all approach that we
have always done. (Primaries have done this for years!) While 1/2 the class use
the laptops for part of an activity, the other 1/2 are doing another part. For
us, this is also essential to break up a 72 min period and help keep the
students focussed.<BR>One between two is cheaper too! ;-)
<BR>Cheers<BR>Cameron<BR><BR>Bill Kerr wrote: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">There is a large elephant in the room that
no one has referred to so far: the OLPC<BR><BR>The one laptop per child non
profit project not only plans to deliver millions of laptops to third world
children but has also become a hand grenade in the commercial world - and has
succeeded in forcing down the price of other laptops now on offer
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><I><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-STYLE: italic">"... the whole global mind-think
around technology has changed. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></I></P></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 30pt"><I><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-STYLE: italic">No longer is low cost computing in
education a fantasy, no longer are big technology companies secondary, and
everyone wants to sell technology into classrooms. Intel introduced
</SPAN></FONT></I><A
href="http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/brazil/olpc_classmate_mobilis.html"
target=_blank><I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Classmate
PC</SPAN></I></A><I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"> to Brazil, Asustek is
</SPAN></I><A
href="http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/intel/negroponte_100_laptop_asus.html"
target=_blank><I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">selling Eee
PC's</SPAN></I></A><I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"> in the USA, and even
thin-client manufactures </SPAN></I><A
href="http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/competition/stephen_dukker_anti_olpc_campaign.html"
target=_blank><I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">compare themselves to
OLPC</SPAN></I></A><I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">."</SPAN></I><BR><A
href="http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/countries/sales_inhibiting_xo_distribution.html"
target=_blank>http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/countries/sales_inhibiting_xo_distribution.html
</A><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">How will schools and education departments
in the wealthy west react to the fact that in a few years we will have the
capability for every child to have their own laptop? <BR><BR>Will we treat them
like mobile phones and ban them or try to figure out a way to utilise them for
optimal educational development?<BR><BR>The use and misuse of computers in
schools has up until now been based around the idea that computers mainly belong
in labs and / or that access is limited. The fact of limited access has acted as
a powerful brake for many teachers not to extend their knowledge much beyond the
basics. <BR><BR>Most (all?) of the maths curriculum could be taught using
laptops. In fact MIT produced a series of books in the 80s for teaching much of
maths and aspects of language and art using logo.<BR><BR>Shouldn't we factor
this potential into the discussion? If we are talking about the future it might
be incorrect to assume that the pattern of distribution of computers in schools
will remain similar to the present. <BR><BR>-- <BR>Bill Kerr<BR><A
href="http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/"
target=_blank>http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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