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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t want to wade in here, and I’m
definitely not a Howard supporter, but I had thought that VELS was a Victorian
government education initiative (Bracks) not Federal government (Howard). Perhaps
the State Government won’t have that responsibility for much longer with the
movement towards a national curriculum. I guess this highlights the importance
of teachers voices being heard while curriculum are being developed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m stealing this from somewhere,
but you use English in all classes but it would be ridiculous to have every
teacher try and teach English. In the same way, integrating IT into the curriculum
ignores IT as an expert knowledge area, not just as a presentation tool, and
wrongly seems to make the assumption that all teachers are proficient in using
IT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Kent Beveridge<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 15 October 2007
10:51 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Year 7 - 10 Information Technology
Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Yr7-10it] IT JOBS
2008</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The reasoning is quite simple:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>It was a gov't initiative to implement VELS (like the CSF)
wasnt it? The difference here, as we IT teachers are now finding, is that
VELS integrates IT with other subjects and apparently all teachers are assumed
to be IT trained as VELS is 'inter disciplinary' in its approach. Hence IT
teachers become dinosaurs as our skills are suddenly downgraded except for
specialist subject areas. Hence, schools take the decision to integrate IT,
thereby reducing the number of classes of straight IT and therefore making many
IT staff redundant.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>This is the main reason I, personally, am upgrading my MATHS
quals to be able to offer VCE maths as a teaching stream as I feel that my IT
subjects will disappear soon. The downside is that the jobs requiring computer
skills higher than those of a monkey will go interstate or be outsourced to overseas
specialists.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>This is my thoughts..</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;font-style:italic'>email.. <a
href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</a></span></font></i><font
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b3\/3r1D93 ? ;-)</span></font></b></strong><font size=2
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;font-style:italic'>Wishes and Eggs, one you
make and one you break! A bit like promises.....</span></font></i><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
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yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of victor rajewski<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Mon 10/15/2007 10:18 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Year 7 - 10 Information
Technology Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Yr7-10it] IT JOBS
2008</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I don't quite understand; What does Howard have to do
with VELS? I<br>
don't follow your reasoning (perhaps your rage has impaired your<br>
argumentative skills?)<br>
<br>
vik<br>
<br>
On 10/15/07, Kent Beveridge <kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au> wrote:<br>
> Heres a thought, lots of available teachers to 'not so many' jobs for next
year. The govt will LOVE that. Think of all the VACANCIES and CREATED JOBS that
Mr. Howard now has CREATED!<br>
> Guess who I'm NOT voting for!<br>
><br>
> So much for the skills shortage. With one fowl swoop of VELS he instantly
created an oversupply of teachers(in the IT area!!!! ).<br>
><br>
> Isnt that what hes been spruking? 'Look how many jobs I've
created with my new IR system(and other subtle measures).<br>
><br>
> hmmm<br>
> Makes you wonder why, doesnt it?!!<br>
><br>
> KB.<br>
><br>
> Kent Beveridge,<br>
> I.T. co-ordinator<br>
> St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College<br>
> Horsham<br>
> email.. kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au<br>
><br>
> |<3|\|7 b3\/3r1D93 ? ;-)<br>
><br>
> Wishes and Eggs, one you make and one you break! A bit like
promises.....<br>
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> From: yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Alexakos, Zach Z<br>
> Sent: Sun 10/14/2007 7:27 PM<br>
> To: Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List<br>
> Subject: RE: [Yr7-10it] Year 7-10 IT structures<br>
><br>
><br>
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> Sounds like the basket weavers have well and truly taken over.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Zach Alexakos<br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
><br>
> From: yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au [<a
href="mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
On Behalf Of Jim Bunn<br>
> Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2007 5:13 PM<br>
> To: 'Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
> Subject: RE: [Yr7-10it] Year 7-10 IT structures<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Hello all,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> As Rachelle has already indicated, there is no compulsory ICT at Hampton
Park Secondary College (new from this year) and the administration (having
wanted this for years) has used the move from the CSF to VELS as a virtual
mandate for the dissolution of ICT classes at years 7 and 8. Fully integrating
ICT at years 7 and 8 was done under the guise of it being a requirement under
VELS. I argued many of the very valid points made by those replying to this
thread, and it's made no difference whatsoever.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> At the end of last year I thought that the one good outcome of this
disastrous move was that at least most of the teachers previously unable to get
their non-ICT classes into a computer lab would now be possible. Alas, no. One
of our four computer labs (for 1300 students!) has been dismantled and the
computers dispersed elsewhere, like into a Pod, or the new Learning Centre or
just not re-leased. Another is scheduled to go as well. My cynical nature says
that it all comes down to saving $.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> And guess what. It's driving good ICT teachers away from here. One has
just resigned, another is leaving at the end of the year, another is trying to
leave, and yours truly is counting the days until I'm out of here as well. What
a sad state of affairs. Grumble, grumble.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Jim Bunn<br>
> CCNA CCAI ITE1<br>
> Technology Coordinator<br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Hampton</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Park</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Secondary</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
> Victoria Australia<br>
><br>
> 8795 9400<br>
><br>
> bunn.jim.c@edumail.vic.gov.au<br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
><br>
> From: yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au [<a
href="mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
On Behalf Of Colin SUTTON<br>
> Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2007 8:59 PM<br>
> To: yr7-10it@edulists.com.au<br>
> Subject: [Yr7-10it] Year 7-10 IT structures<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Hi all<br>
><br>
> My school, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Montmorency</st1:City>
<st1:State w:st="on">SC</st1:State></st1:place>, has NO compulsory ICT!<br>
><br>
> A student can go through 6 years of schooling here and do NO formal IT.<br>
><br>
> No other school I have ever taught in (2 in Vic, 3 in QLD and 4 in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>) have ever
had this!<br>
><br>
> It seems unbelievable that in the Information Age students are not
formally taught ANY ICT.<br>
><br>
> They have to learn another language, do wood, metal, cooking and sewing -
useful and even essential - but the ONE thing none of them can avoid is ICT!<br>
><br>
> Sure, many can play games and surf to sites, but they are not formally
taught a wide range of other useful or essentail skills.<br>
><br>
> Schools I have taught in elsewhere had at least one semester of ICT at
Year 7 (Yr 8 in QLD as secondary starts in Yr8).<br>
><br>
> Most had an elective system that required them to do at least ONE or more
units at 8/9 or even again in Yr 10.<br>
><br>
> Comments anyone?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
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